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THE VACCINE DEBATE CONTINUES TO RAGE

THE VACCINE DEBATE CONTINUES TO RAGE

It should be no surprise that COVID vaccination remains the issue that dominates your comments, mainly in favour.

But just as I had my first jab, another interesting question has arisen-- should the Fifty Up Club even consider such vexed questions?

As my arm gently aches after AstraZeneca shot one, I make no excuse for writing about the benefits of the vaccine for over 50s and indeed everyone.

But Anonymous from VIC commented:

"I don't think it is the role of the Fifty Up Club to push this. Present the facts and let people make their own minds up…we do have the luxury of waiting to see how things go elsewhere, and for a safer vaccine than AstraZeneca to be available to our age group."

I don’t know if we are 'pushing' the case for vaccination, as such - because it seems so blindly evident that by a million to one, the benefits both for the individual and society outweigh the costs/risks.

It's not just my opinion but that of legions of learned authorities here and around the world. The commentator above seems to think a 'safer' vaccine for older Australians is somehow en route.

Of course, people must make up their minds.  Please use reliable expert and trustworthy sources and not social media or self-elected pundits whose subject matter authority is questionable. You deserve better.

On the broader issue as to if it's our role to 'push' this or any other contentious issues such as global warming,  refugee policy, gender identity etc. again, you members make up your minds and let us know.

COVID vaccine, unlike the broader moral and political questions above, has a specific age focus around over 50s in particular and your appetite for it shows few signs of abating.

But back to the comments and two members who have their doubts:

Kurian from NSW:

“Once the vaccine dramas are sorted and we are confident with the information being supplied is truthful, then I will have the jab of choice for me.”

Suzanne from QLD:

“The Covid vaccine has not been tested as a vaccine. Therefore it is an experimental drug. Keep that in mind.”

I am delighted at the intelligent, reasoned and courteous reply from Karen which is too lengthy to include in full but can be seen in the comments section here.

Karen from NSW replied to Suzanne:

“ 'Real world' data of delivery of tens of millions of doses of both Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccine prove conclusively to date they are safe and effective as advised by ATAGI and approved by the TGA. You are not alone in your thinking but I am truly at a loss to understand why."

Finally, two down to earth comments to digest. First, Brian from QLD:

“Both my wife and I are in our 70s. Had the AZ injection 4 weeks ago. Both have very serious underlying medical conditions. After effects Me... NIL. Wife sore arm for 2 days. nothing else. Also had Flu shot NO effects. Cannot wait to get our 2nd AZ shots so we can relax. I only think of the others refusing the vaccines as very, very selfish people.”

Here’s Ian from NSW:

“For those who do not think that they need a Covid 19 vaccination, "Dig the well before the drought."

The needle dug into my arm with little trouble booking, queuing or waiting. I was a little weary the day after but not enough to stop any of my weekend routines. Now the three-month gap until jab two. I can’t wait.

 

 

 


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Kerrie
Kerrie from NSW commented:

It is my opinion that you are pushing are pushing for vaccination you claim it is blindly evident that the risks outweigh the cost by a million to one?. There is a safer vaccine coming its called pfizer and older australians should be given the choice as to the vaccine that is right for them, not just what you suggest people should have. So how about you do what the fifty up club is supposed to do and represent the interests of over 50s like you are supposed to do? 

Someone
Someone from SA commented:

The Herd immunity argument does not apply to the Astrazenecca vaccine as it has been proven that this vaccine doesn't give any protection against passing the disease onto other people. The mRNA vaccines appear to be better at this than the viral vector vaccines. The viral vector vaccines (Astrazenecca and J&J) are not as effective, have proven to have more side effects and do no allow for protection against covid variants. I am not an anti vaxxer and if an mRNA jab was available for me, I'd have it as soon as possible. The " it's the only jab available to the over 50's" is not an argument... either take up an Olympic sport or wait for the mRNA jabs which the Government is belatedly rushing to procure and also make in Australia. 

Someone
Someone from WA commented:

My message to doubters: Start thinking about all of our fellow human beings instead of oneself , get your vaccination, as only herd immunity provides us with a chance of fighting this virus. Lynn 

Oliver
Oliver from NSW commented:

Seniors with previous conditions (eg heart complaints, high blood pressure readings, sugar diabetes) should be allowed to opt for the Pfiser vaccine, and not be forced to take the AZ. Would it be possible for this organisation to make representation to the authorities for this dispensation? 

william & jacqui
william & jacqui from NSW commented:

Just get the dammn jab ?? Any 1 is ok for us oldies ? MORE women hav clots, from other stuff they get, thsn cv19 jab ?? MORE ppl die frm FLU, every year, than cv19 ?? If ppl dont get jab -- STAY HOME, dont go out in public ???? 

Coral
Coral from NSW commented:

Btw my name is Coral not Kurien...... I don’t know how that happened. Anyway just read some info yesterday regarding the vaccines and the age criteria. I am 65 years old and am in the AstraZeneca group but I won’t be having that jab. My body my choice but on reading some info yesterday about my having the choice of the Pfizer vaccine instead it says not an option for me. The document I read also stated the AstraZeneca is not as effective as the Pfizer vaccine as well as there was a cost difference between the two vaccines. The AstraZeneca being the cheaper option........ Are we putting people or money first? Why are we not getting the choice of vaccine? I’m still not confident enough to take the jab.... 

Martyn
Martyn from NSW commented:

I agree with the comment “this is a trial drug....” as any new drug, including vaccines, require a stringent ‘three phases’ of trial before being approved for release. This can take 10 to 15 years. As for Karen from NSW, respectfully, your comment referring to ‘real world data’ and ‘conclusive proof’ are risky at best. We are discussing the introduction of a man-made substance into the human body. The possible effects are unknown, short or long term, because there has not been a stringent trials regime. We have already seen blood clot issues in some recipients early on which, in my opinion is an unacceptable risk. But, my primary concern would be the long term possibilities of any adverse effects. Remember ‘Thalidomide’ ? 

Geoff
Geoff from NSW replied to Martyn:

You do realise this is a pandemic which continues to kill millions of people outside our very safe bubble here in Australia. Would you have the same opinion if things get as bad here as say India at present. But your choice don’t get the jab but stay home and don’t put the rest of us at risk! 

Someone
Someone from QLD commented:

I think that we (my wife and I) should get vaccinated how do I go about it. I am 70 she is 67 

Wojciech
Wojciech from VIC commented:

I can't not believe that people are not use their own brain and knowledge? This this is medical experiment. This is not vaccine but genetic therapy about unknown repercussion which may uncover after years if not immidiately. Some people are dying after taking this wonderful jab. If someone is healthy do not need this poison cocktail in the body. I cant not believe that people do not use own judgment but believe in everything what media propaganda is telling to them, 

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