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Would you Retire Overseas?

Would you Retire Overseas?

bali-beaches-nusa-duaAustralia has one of the highest poverty rates among over 65s in the OECD, reports the Sydney Morning Herald. In fact, 35% of retirees are at risk of poverty, according to a recent survey on global Pension schemes.

On top of this, we know Australia has an ageing population with more Australians than ever before approaching retirement age.

This leads to some very serious policy questions around the best way to improve retirement savings for future generations. While the Government and policy experts argue and cut deals like this one, where does it leave those Australians who have already retired and are having trouble making ends meet?

Ever thought of moving to Thailand, or maybe Bali? Many retirees have, apparently.

Thousands of Australians 50 and over are packing up and heading overseas to retire, according to the authors of ‘Sell Up, Pack Up & Take Off’.  From South-East Asia, to France and to Italy, it seems many retirees are making their savings go further by moving overseas.

South-East Asia, in particular, is attractive due to the lower cost of living. The authors say that in Malaysia rent is about 80 per cent lower than Sydney and groceries almost 60 per cent cheaper. These represent massive savings for someone on a pension.

Malaysia even offers a special long-term visa for retirees called a Malaysia My Second Home (MM2H) Visa.

A similar story emerges in Bali, traditionally a popular holiday destination for Australian tourists. Like Thailand, Bali is emerging as an alternative for older Australians looking to maintain their quality of life in retirement, according to this report from the Herald Sun.

As the money goes further, it seems retirees are living the ‘good-life’ inclusive of book clubs, wine clubs and movie nights – and there’s no shortage of fellow expat retirees.

So is 60 really the new 40? Would you consider retiring overseas?

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Peter
Peter from QLD commented:

If the cost of living becomes totally unaffordable for me I would certainly consider it. Of course the government would say "good riddance to whingeing pensioners" as there would be less people accessing the health system & other benefits. Naturally no mention is made of the REAL parasites, ex politicians who keep their grasping hands in our pockets for the rest of their worthless lives. The worst of all are ex PM's who receive obscene handouts with no means test or limit to what they spend. So much for Hockey saying that the age of entitlements is over. 

Mary
Mary from QLD replied to Peter:

Absolutely spot on. 

Arvind
Arvind from NSW replied to Peter:

How VERY true. I am glad someone peter has hit the very SPOT. 

Theo
Theo from NSW replied to Peter:

I agree with Peter as far as if it becomes totally unaffordable. One thing that has changed recently I think, is that Australian age pension can be drawn overseas for six months only. After this reduced or stopped, (unless the recipient returns home. may be for a minimum time, I am not sure). But the think I don't understand is why not move to a better, more affordable place in Australia? Isn't there any? Sure there are country regions that rent and real estate is cheaper. Food and produce must be cheaper at the source. I have been to Cyprus some years ago and went hotels. My wife been born in the island she was considered Cyprian and all hotels were giving reduced prices to Cyprians, they were telling us that is government policy at time, as they want locals to have holidays at home. Where here is the opposite local holiday and accommodation is dearer. Should the government step in and offer incentives or even subsidies to encourage locals wanting to go places in Australia and keep the dollars here?. Of course this will cost, Tourist Tax may be one way of funding it. As tourist come and enjoy the offerings of this country whether be Opera House, infrastructure, nature, food, parks, anything... it has been paid by the Australian people why not ask them to contribute for what they enjoyed but paid nothing. 

Peter
Peter from QLD replied to Theo:

You raise some good points Theo. I think that the six month limit only applies to benefits & not the actual pension, unless things have changed. For years migrants have returned to their native countries & lived comfortably on their Aust. pension, so I don't think that the government will upset those people as they have made an art form of appeasing everyone except Australians. 

Jean
Jean from QLD replied to Peter:

Not all countries are treated the sme re pensionm 

mike
mike from QLD commented:

Yes no problem at least you will not be treated like the walking dead. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Cruises and overseas holiday destinations......sounds fabulous! Perhaps once a government addresses the disparity between homeowners and non-homeowners under the assets test, and encourages those who can provide for themselves in retirement to do so, we will have a more equitable system of providing a reasonable pension to those who need one, rather than to those who feel they deserve one. Australians may therefore decide that they won’t need to move overseas to support themselves in retirement. 

detlef
detlef from QLD commented:

if you have WORKED most of your life and PAID exorbitant taxes , why would it not be a right without means testing ??? have supported bluggers whom seem to have the addage the govt ( ie> the tax payer ) owes them a living and call the dole their PAY !!! 

Gail
Gail from ACT commented:

Yes, there are a number that offier programs for retirees from other countries e.g., Malaysia, My second HOme program, Thailand you can obtain a retirement visa - conditions apply re being able to support yourself, also a large number of European countries offer retirement Visas as do countries like Panama in South America - so it is an option worth considering 

Mary
Mary from QLD commented:

That would just suit the current government. The elderly May just as well become the new boat people leaving Australia. We have worked hard & paid taxes so we should be able to enjoy an acceptable quality of life in retirement & not live in fear of an uncaring, unsympathetic treasurer who has no understanding of hardship. Are we now supposed to up stakes, leave our families to go in search of a decent standard of living. We are more ENTITLED to this than the pollies who are paid much more than they are worth & retire on a very high percentage of that. It's time for some equality. I am very disappointed that Fifty up would even suggest an idea like like this. "Rant over now" 

Tom
Tom from NSW replied to Mary:

Of cause it's only the current government & the previous Howard government pollies that are overpaid not the ones that have retired from the last Labour government. They did a fantastic job. 

Jean
Jean from QLD replied to Mary:

It would be cheaper for the gov and less lfearful for oldies if Nitschke method was acknowledge = Govt. wouldn't have to pretend that they care 

Mary
Mary from QLD replied to Jean:

Sadly that is true. We should elect humanitarians instead of the greedy bunch who currently misrepresent us. 

Roelf
Roelf from VIC commented:

Retiring overseas is an option for some of us. Another other alternative is to spend three or four months a year overseas. Selectively enjoying the best weather wherever you live. You can still justify living part time overseas and be cost neutral if you plan wisely. Renting your home while away and sourcing low cost alternatives in your second "home" country are options. Home exchange is another possibility. Money side of it aside, the benefits of becoming culturally enlightened and enjoying many new experiences is priceless. Also, the services offered by many countries are an a par with our own, even cheaper, so there is no need to panic about medical issues and other perceived inadequacies that some people have. We personally are setting up to be on the canals in France and Holland for 3-4 months per year as it brings us closer to some of our family and friends and offers a good base to explore cultural activities. 

Gail
Gail from ACT replied to Roelf:

The attitude that "We are entitled to" needs to go the government does not pay pensions all of us in the work who pay tax pay for pensions and the mind set that you are entitled to one needs to go. Superannuation has been in for about 20 years and we all know that 9% is not sufficient so we should be making the effort to make additional contributions to cover our needs in retirement. The days of the welfare handout need to come to an end sooner rather than later. The government should consider making it compulsory that all people in the wrok make a mandatory contribution to their super on top of the employer contribution. 

Sharon
Sharon from NSW commented:

Absolutely, in a heart beat! BUT what happens if you are currently receiving aged pension in Australia if you live overseas? Please advise 

Julian
Julian from WA replied to Sharon:

You lose the Pension Supplement part of the Age Pension if you go overseas permanently. And after 6 months, if you haven't lived in Australia for 35 years between 16 and 65, you Age Pension can be reduced based on the years you were here (unless you go to a country with a Social Security Agreement, and have worked in that country as well, when you can add that time and the time in Australia together). But there's no problem at all getting paid the Age Pension paid overseas permanently - you do have to be here to apply and get it first though, and there are rules about being resident here for 10 years before applying. Don't take the word or people on forums, (even me, with over 15 years Centrelink background!) of even Centrelink staff. Not all are experts, and everyone can make mistakes. You can easily check by calling Centrelink's International Services (helpful people too) on 131 673. The other thing is, if you're thinking of doing it, think hard. We will do it, but in a location where we can get the services we want and health support that we will need as we age. Don't plan to sell up and spend it all in the new place - try the new place first for a year or two, and in all seasons. It may be dead off season, or have terrible weather etc, or you just realise how foreign it it, or miss family too much. I'm not saying don't do it (at all! We will!) just leave yourself an option of returning for a year or two. If you can rent your place out and then try before you buy in the new place, that's much safer. It's very hard to sell up, spend some of that, and come back to Aus and buy again, as the prices here are pretty high. This is just one example, but you'll get the idea, and it can happen anywhere: http://tinyurl.com/o2pbod7 So do your research - holidays are not the same as living there, wherever you're thinking about! 

Gail
Gail from ACT replied to Sharon:

Read the rules they are on the net and they are quite generous. 

Leonie
Leonie from VIC commented:

I definitely would consider living over-seas providing I could find a safe community in which I could live comfortable. 

Rani
Rani from NSW commented:

yes I would like to retire overseas - better value for money, 

James
James from NSW commented:

I am married to a Vietnamese lady, and we have already decided to retire in Viet Nam. There is no way I could ever afford a comfortable lifestyle here in Australia. Even looking ahead, 10 years or less down the track, I cannot see a good life here in Australia anymore. No matter what my financial position has been here, I have never been able to get help from the government here who I have paid taxes to for more than 40 years. So whatever I have in 7-10 years will be my retirement overseas. It's just not a consideration to continue struggling in this country anymore. James F. NSW 

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