Let me ask you to look at your last bill. Where does it say what you are paying for your 'Network' tariff / charges. Simple ans. - 'No Where'. The word 'Network Tariff' is used by the Liberal Party, the commentators, finance sector people is because it is part your bill that Regulator has control over. What you see on your bill is the 'RETAIL' tariff (The regulator has NO CONTROL on this item) plus daily usage price and of course GST on top of all that. So, how will Allen Phelps override the powers of the Regulator in any case. (A waste of WAGES in MILLIONS over his contract term. Will he have the power to force the PRIVATE PARTNERS to REDUCE THEIR PROFITS). You can look for all the retail tariffs on the internet all over Australia BUT YOU CANNOT FIND ANY NETWORK TARIFF. THAT IS THE TRUTH HIDDEN FROM ALL THE VOTERS BY THE PREMIER AND THE LIBERAL PARTY. BTW, how has the Govt. allowed the Board members of the Network NSW to comment on the privatization of the poles and wires.? Conflict of interest or what?
The electricity network currently generates somewhere between 1.3 and 1.7 billion dollars annually depending on who you believe, liberal or Labor. Selling or leasing this asset for a short term gain to improve infrastructure means that the government is going to have a shortfall of the above amount in the ensuing years, this money is currently used for other government funding like health, education etc. which means the government will be wanting to sell off other assets to offset this loss. My personal philosophy regarding finance is pay off your debt before spending, not sell off all your assets to pay for your irresponsible spending, eventually there will be no assets left, WHAT THEN........ You only have to look at previous selloff's, Sydney Airport etc. How much does it cost to park your car at the airport now, even though private enterprise may be able to run more efficiently than government run entities, you have no control over corporate greed.
So you are OK with an inefficient Government-run electricity network that over-prices electricity into every home in NSW, as a way of raising government funds, an energy tax (of $700 per household per year) in all but name, but are unhappy about private enterprise providing the same electricity cheaper to households? Electricity pricing will still be regulated in NSW, so there will be "control over corporate greed." $20 billion right now will pay for more assets for the State: Roads, Rail and Hospitals, so the net amount of assets held by NSW will be about the same, just the mix will be more appropriate.
Only one reason power network should be privatised - business efficiency - government (Labour or Liberal) couldnt't run a chook raffle ... (the chook would probably have been delivered by private courier on double time) ... All other arguments for and against are just fluff and bubble!
Stephen is absolutely spot on. There is no 'sell off' or 'privatisation' of the electricity network in NSW. The Government will retain 51% majority ownership and 49% will be leased. The up front money from the leasing deal will go towards building massive new infrastructure projects. It is so frustrating each time I hear the media, Labor, the Unions and even John Mangos constantly spouting the 'privatisation' line. Anyone who has ever worked for a Government run organisation, and I did for 44 years, knows how inefficient these can be. So, the private lessees can probably do a better job or maybe at least do more with less. I live in the bush so almost none of the infrastructure projects will go towards improving my lifestyle. But, I do know what is best of the country, the State and this appears to be it. Most of it will go to the city dwellers not the bush. But, if the city dwellers do not want it then let them go without. But, please if you want to talk about electricity price rises, then talk about the massive price increases and gold plating of poles and wires which occurred under the former Labor Government. But surely we can not go back to the absolute disaster of the Labor years. Or at least not until after the Liberals have cleaned it up. Then we can go back and Labor can stuff it all up again. Isn't that how it has always worked in the past?
Excellent position statement Garry.
It's a 49% lease! not a sell off!! As you as you see "union commissioned" poll you should know what to expect
Thanks for the Maths tip !!! What point are you exactly trying to make?
My guess is that you don't know or don't want to know or even worse, you cant appreciate the economics of this sale.
Final PART: Spare a thought for the people of Victoria for those that have access to CitiPower Network then they are almost on par but still pay more than NSW consumers but if they don’t live in the CitiPower Network then unfortunately they’ll end up paying much much more. Ask Mike Baird to explain how they keep stating that NSW is more expensive than other states if my figures based on Fact Sheets as per my previous comments show otherwise…. Beware the LIES!!!! Alex
You should have saved your time rather than bleat out such rubbish. Only sheep/unions/Labor would espouse such a long winded and unreadable BS. Get real. Labor luminaries Beattie, Keating, Morris Iemma, Bob Carr, Martin Ferguson have all spoken out against Foley’s folly/lies.
Well... we know who you vote for and that makes you the expert.. right??? You have no idea how I last voted in the NSW State Election so unless you have some kind of proof to prove otherwise I suggest keep your comments to yourself because I'm no Labor follower, I cast my vote based on party policies provided you can read between the lines and the political spin. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that how to manage it but somehow the current State government only solution is to SELL, SELL, SELL & can't think outside the box... it's NOT THEIRS TO SELL... It's a PUBLIC ASSET. People of NSW have every right to ask for a Referendum on this REVENUE RAISING asset...
Part 2: It is also important to note that when it comes to Consumption charges that’s the Rate we pay per Kilowatt Hour (KWh) and in NSW is very competitive compared to most of the other states. NSW rate as per Origin Fact Sheet is 24.981 cents per KWh for the FIRST 19.1781 KWh/Day and if you exceed this daily consumption you’ll pay 25.707 cents per KWh extra thereafter. However in Victoria the cheapest Network charges 23.144 cents per KWh for the FIRST 11.1781 KWh/Day ONLY and if you exceed this daily consumption you’ll pay 25.509 cents per KWh extra thereafter. At this rate if you take for example the Maximum daily use of 19.1781 cents per KWh/day for NSW you’ll pay $4.79/day and Victoria you’ll pay $4.63/day however when you include the Network charges for NSW it’ll cost you $5.57/day & Vic $5.73/day. This tells you Victoria’s CHEAPEST Electricity Supplier is more expensive than NSW. Based on statistics it’s claimed the average household consumes around 5 Mega Watt Hours per annum. This is an average of 1250 KWh per quarter and I can assure you in my household a family of only 3, 2 adults & 1 teenager using Gas for cooking & hot water and Electricity for general supply only our Electricity bill average is 1500 KWh per quarter and I would imagine that for the majority of NSW Domestic consumers the 1250 KWh per quarter is well below their average consumption. But if we use 1250 KWh as average your quarterly bill in NSW will be $382.28 & Victoria $393.10. If you live in NSW and want to really save on your Electricity Bill and you’re 50 & up then why not join the FiftyUp Club like I did a year ago, it’s free to join and you’ll receive up to 17% off your entire Electricity Bill if you setup payment via Direct Debit from savings account otherwise choose to pay your bill before it’s due date and receive 15% off.
PART 1 : People of NSW PLEASE READ THE FACT SHEET YOURSELF & THEN MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY POLITICAL SPIN and THE MEDIA ARE BIASED TOWARDS THE LIBERAL/NATIONAL PARTY… NSW is STILL by far cheaper for the majority of its citizens. Google Origin Energy Fact Sheet for Electricity Prices across ALL STATES & you'll see that NSW residents currently pay LESS NOT MORE for Network charges... A Domestic customer quarterly bill in NSW pays 77.803 cents per day including GST and for 90 days of supply that’s $70.02. In Victoria the LOWEST Network charge is by CiTiPower at 109.78 cents per day and for 90 days of supply that’s $98.80. It’s in Black & White on the FACT SHEETS, so please have a good read. If you don’t understand the charges I’ll be more than happy to explain it in plain English. I work in the Energy Industry of NSW and have been an Electrician for more than 35 years. Read on PART 2 Alex
There should be a referendum, we should not be expected to vote for a party and in doing so it is accepted as a yes for selling our electricity - this tactic may have worked for the GST ( a vote for me is a vote for the gst) but should not be used in this instant. Thel
Yes I agree a referendum would be the fairest way to go and not tied into who you vote for
I don' want to see our power privatised or leased off to private interests. There is a chance that once they have their hands on them, they might spend minimal money on maintaining them or to make them run more efficiently. You only have to look what has happened in Victoria.