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Power Privatisation in NSW: The Pros and Cons

Power Privatisation in NSW: The Pros and Cons

It's election time, and a central plank to Premier Mike Baird's campaign is the proposed selling off - or partial leasing, to be precise - of the electricity grid's “poles and wires”.
 
It's not for us here at the FiftyUp Club to tell you which way to think on the issue, but we would like to help you make an informed decision. So here's our list of pros & cons:
 

Arguments For -

Statistics:
 
The Australian Bureau of Statistics has released data showing Australians who live in states with privatized electricity supplies have faced smaller price rises over the past two decades compared with their counterparts in other states.
 
A study was conducted by respected analysts The Grattan Institute, showing retail prices have risen more in Sydney and Brisbane than in Melbourne and Adelaide, where the Victorian and later the South Australian governments had privatized the electricity industry from the 1990s.
 
From 1996 to mid 2014, in nominal terms, retail electricity prices have increased by 208% in Adelaide and 158% in Melbourne - compared with 212% in Sydney and 217% in Brisbane.
 
According to the Institute's energy director, Tony Wood, “Privately-owned businesses run at lower cost to the benefit of consumers”.
 
The Pay-off:
 
Baird wants to go ahead with the sell off so he can get his hands on a $20 billion war chest to build new infrastructure including a second Sydney Harbour rail crossing and $1 billion of Western Sydney rail upgrades.
 

Arguments Against -

Jobs:
 
Privatization has become a dirty word in many sectors of the community, particularly among Labor and the Unions, who are running a campaign saying it will cost jobs and drive up the price of our power.
 
On the jobs point, they are probably correct. It is likely a private operator would cut costs in the network businesses, and both the number and quality of jobs in these businesses have benefited over the years from government ownership.
 
But Baird's infrastructure plan would also create jobs, so there would be both winners and losers on that count.
 
Experience:
 
The public is rightly suspicious of government selling off public assets which then become private monopolies charging monopoly rents. You only have to look at Sydney Airport, the Commonwealth Bank and Qantas to see how those businesses have been changed by privatisation.
 
In those states where poles and wires have been privatized, consumers report feeling worse off, despite the numbers quoted above.
 
In Victoria, 67% said people in the state were worse off, while in South Australia, 74% said people there were worse off, in a union-commissioned poll.
 
There is also the loss of annual revenue from these businesses to consider, given they paid their government owners $1.7B in 2012-13, falling to a projected $407M in 2017-18.
 

So, what do you think?

 
And as always, whatever the election result, make sure you're on a good plan so you're protected against whatever may happen to power prices.
 
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Jaime
Jaime from NSW commented:

It would be better to cut out the middlemen and buy electricity directly from Ausgrid. why do we need middlemen? Only so they can make a profit. One only has to look at privatisation in other countries to see what happens. 

Paul
Paul from NSW commented:

I agree with Denis from NSW. If it were put out as referendum it would be a plain yes or no. My response a big NO. 

Paul
Paul from NSW commented:

I agree w 

Chris
Chris from NSW commented:

I totally agree with the comments from Denis and Tony. I have never yet seen a previously government owned enterprise, that is now privatised, have lower prices or better service. Denis's comment re your poll wording is spot on. 

Catherine
Catherine from NSW commented:

If we sell we the people loose control over it. It won't be a topic for debate and it certainly wont be aligned with our decisions on who should lead our state. And upgrades to infrastructure... how can we ensure this will happen. Look at Telstra, they let the copper run down to the condition it is now then sell back to the NBN and we the taxpayer will need to pay for the upgrades where the fibre is not going to the house. All we do by selling our resources is hand over our future to corporations that will ensure they make profits. We have no say anymore if we sell. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Catherine:

I would rather a profitable corporation than a debt ridden Federal and State Governments - the position that Labor/Unions have spiralled all Australians into. 

Linda
Linda from NSW commented:

Hi I think the whole sale or partial sale would be a very good idea especially if the West is going to be upgraded for the better at it is always the richer areas that are looked after and basically in the long run we will pay more for electricity this way we are getting something good out of the sale Have a great day Linda Chater 

Denis
Denis from NSW commented:

I am disgusted with the presentation of this poll. The way it has been worded has had the effect of ensuring a favourable response to Baird's proposals. If it was a true poll the issues would have been presented properly in a neutral way rather than being set up to ensure a response favourable to Baird's proposals. I now wonder who the Fifty-Up Club is representing or worse still, why it is manipulating such a poll in favour of Baird's proposals. Privatisation will always bring increased costs to consumers. The new owner (or 99 year lessees) will need to show a return on their investment. I don't believe that will result in lower costs to consumers. The supposed proposed guarantee that prices will be lower raises two issues. How will the gov’t control prices if the new owners come up with a story to justify increased prices and even if initially the prices are lower - for how long? I don't trust the new owners to keep prices lower. And who will the new owners be? The Macquarie Bank (AKA The Millionaires Bank)? Look what happened to parking prices at Sydney Airport when they bought the rights to it! 

Joel - FiftyUp Club
Joel - FiftyUp Club from NSW replied to Denis:

Hi Denis, we're sorry to hear you don't like our poll, but we thought it was very fair: 2 Yes options, 2 No options, and a Don't Know option. We do take Tony's point about the loss of current revenue from the network businesses, though, and we've just updated the story to include it, for good measure. 

Al
Al from NSW replied to Denis:

They gave equal time to both parties, and equal degrees of agreement/disagreement options to vote on with the poles and wires lease. I don't see how it could have been fairer. I think there has been a change in people's views as several Labor Leaders have been kicked out by the Unions for supporting the Privatisation as a way to fund urgently needed infrastructure. We've debated this for over a decade: time to get on with building a NSW fit for the 21st Century. 

Andrew
Andrew from NSW commented:

The Coalition has a comprehensive plan for infrastructure which includes the *leasing* of the Poles & wires. The ALP has no plan. The ALP have always been disastrous planners. Bob Carr and the "Obeid faction" left us with half a rail line (Chatswood to Epping, not Epping to Parramatta), poor road infrastructure, insufficient water resources and a massive useless white elephant of a desalination plant. It's an easy decision. 

Denis
Denis from NSW replied to Andrew:

Well done Andrew, you're obviously a Liberal Party staffer and well primed to repeat all of the usual stuff about Labor. Instead of sticking with the facts on the poles & wires issue, You instead decided to descend to the old Liberal tactics of a smear campaign. You've failed to mention the scandal that ICAC is now dealing with concerning the Liberal Party former Ministers, Gallacher, Hartcher and at least three other parliamentary members who were caught up in the scandal about illegal electoral funding hidden from sight but it eventually caught up with them and it has resulted in them having resigned from the Ministry and leaving parliament after this election!! 

Andrew
Andrew from NSW replied to Denis:

Hello Denis, No, I am neither a staffer nor a member. The "poles & wires issue" (as you call it) is part of a broader infrastructure plan. That planning commenced 3 years ago under Nic Greiner, appointed by the premier to consider EVERY ASPECT of NSW infrastructure needs. My understanding is that it was intended to decouple infrastructure planning from politics and plan in a professional, bipartisan way using strictly technical and investment criteria. By contrast, Bob Carr and his successors locked up a dam site into a National park, delayed vital Newcastle port expansion, built a white-elephant desalination plant and those obscene wind farms leaving us without water storage, minus a potential pumped-storage scheme, flood-prone suburbs downstream from Warragamba, loss of billions from coal ship demurrage charges, loss of billions from coal exports (gone to Qld) and lack of road & rail infrastructure. It has been said that it costs more to transport sheep from Dubbo to Botany than from Botany to Singapore. I am talking about INFRASTRUCTURE not ICAC. Instead of thought bubbles and headline-catching one-liners, the ALP needs to talk to people in NSW and discover what is important and then rethink their whole policy. The extension of light rail (or heavy rail, for that matter) from Homebush to Parramatta is a good idea and should be included in the Infrastructure plan (but why did Bob Carr build Homebush "out there" in the first place?). Three years should be enough time for the ALP to get its act together. 

Denis
Denis from NSW replied to Andrew:

Andrew, I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion. I don't resile from what I said. Neither of us is going to convince the other. The issue is simple without all of the fluff you've posted. The "poles and wires" will cost us all in the long run. It won't reduce electricity rates. It will deprive whoever is in power of the current income from those "poles and wires". It's the old story of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. It's a bad decision to sell the farm when you no longer can depend on the income from it - end of story. 

Andrew
Andrew from NSW replied to Denis:

Hello Denis, You accuse me of being a "Liberal staffer". You say that you're not going to "descend" to a "smear campaign", then claim that I'm not "sticking to the facts" and then, you say that I posted a lot of "fluff". Finally, you say that there's "no point in continuing the discussion". What discussion? Your whole 'argument' is a compendium of personal remarks. In polite debating society, this is known as ad-hominem (attack the person, not the issue). If you can refute any of the facts that I have posted, please do so otherwise thank you for the discussion (what there was of it), see you later. 

Denis
Denis from NSW replied to Andrew:

Andrew, I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion. I don't resile from what I said. Neither of us is going to convince the other. The issue is simple without all of the fluff you've posted. The "poles and wires" will cost us all in the long run. It won't reduce electricity rates. It will deprive whoever is in power of the current income from those "poles and wires". It's the old story of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. It's a bad decision to sell the farm when you no longer can depend on the income from it - end of story. 

Denis
Denis from NSW replied to Andrew:

Andrew, I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion. I don't resile from what I said. Neither of us is going to convince the other. The issue is simple without all of the fluff you've posted. The "poles and wires" will cost us all in the long run. It won't reduce electricity rates. It will deprive whoever is in power of the current income from those "poles and wires". It's the old story of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. It's a bad decision to sell the farm when you no longer can depend on the income from it - end of story. 

Denis
Denis from NSW replied to Andrew:

Andrew, I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion. I don't resile from what I said. Neither of us is going to convince the other. The issue is simple without all of the fluff you've posted. The "poles and wires" will cost us all in the long run. It won't reduce electricity rates. It will deprive whoever is in power of the current income from those "poles and wires". It's the old story of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. It's a bad decision to sell the farm when you no longer can depend on the income from it - end of story. 

Denis
Denis from NSW replied to Andrew:

Andrew, I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion. I don't resile from what I said. Neither of us is going to convince the other. The issue is simple without all of the fluff you've posted. The "poles and wires" will cost us all in the long run. It won't reduce electricity rates. It will deprive whoever is in power of the current income from those "poles and wires". It's the old story of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. It's a bad decision to sell the farm when you no longer can depend on the income from it - end of story. 

Tony
Tony from NSW commented:

In the For and Against argument there is one important issue missing and that's the profit that the government makes from the poles and wires and what impact that will have on the budget short and long term when its no longer there 

Joel - FiftyUp Club
Joel - FiftyUp Club from NSW replied to Tony:

Thanks for pointing this out Tony, we've updated the story to mention it because it's an important point. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Tony:

.............but it's a union 'contrived profit' that's never reinvested back into poles and wires. 

Al
Al from NSW replied to Tony:

Yes - our own Government is milking it's citizens for $700 electricity profit per household! That's way worse than a greedy corporate would get away with. 

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