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How can an 82yo afford a 13% premium increase?

How can an 82yo afford a 13% premium increase?

With health insurance premiums set to rise by an average of 4.84% from April 1, the government says the increase will cost the average couple or family about $200 extra per year.

But imagine my surprise when I received a notification from my 82 year old mother’s health fund saying her premium was going up 13%!

Health Funds argue that they do not discriminate against older consumers but could the products that are targeted towards this cohort be priced higher than products aimed at younger consumers, thereby circumventing the discrimination card?

Doctors – and particularly specialists – have a lot to answer for when it comes to these huge premiums we are paying.

We’ve created a survey for FiftyUp Club members at the bottom of this post where you can tell us YOUR premium change and we’ll investigate what our members are really getting from their Health Funds.

The other issue at play here is the cost of gap payments that were highlighted this week in new research from Professor Gary Freed from the University of Melbourne.

For the first time, researchers have mapped the prices of 11 non-surgical specialist groups across Australia, allowing patients to see how their doctor's fees compare with others.

The study of "gap" or out-of-pocket fees – the difference between what Medicare pays for a specialist doctor's service and what the doctor believes their service is worth – comes amid rising concern about health costs in Australia and fears doctors are charging primarily what their local market will bear.

The research found that neurologists (brain specialists), endocrinologists (hormone specialists), rheumatologists (musculoskeletal specialists), and allergy and immunology specialists are charging some of the highest prices for private consultations outside the public health system.

Julia Medew writing for Fairfax reports many Australians are paying hundreds of dollars to see a specialist who may unbeknownst to them, and without any justification as to why, charge five times more than their peers.

Ten per cent of patients seeing these doctors are paying more than $170 out of pocket for an initial consultation, when the average "gap" fee for their specialty is $95-130. Under Australian laws, health insurers are not allowed to cover these out-of-pocket costs.

Fiftyup Club member Kym from NSW writes:

“My gap to the specialist was $8,000.00 and I have top cover. The gap is the issue and that is why so many people go public not private. Public, no insurance costs, no out of pocket expenses for hospital or doctor/specialist. Until these gap payments are reduced more & more people will go public.”

The research, published in the Medical Journal of Australia on Monday, also found differences across the states and territories, More than 70 per cent of consultations were bulk-billed in the Northern Territory, compared with less than 50 per cent in Victoria and New South Wales.

There have been calls for doctors to publish their fees on comparison-websites so patients can shop around.

A spokesman for Health Minister Greg Hunt said large out-of-pocket fees were of concern and that doctors and specialists were obliged to fully explain costs to patients.

Michael Gannon, President of the Australian Medical Association said doctors charged private fees above what Medicare paid them because they have to meet their own rising costs, for staff, utilities, and indemnity insurance.

In response to Dr Gannon and as a sign of good faith, maybe specialists should also be transparent as to what exactly those indemnity, utility and staff costs are.

Doctors are essentially running a business and offering a service much the same as your local builder. If a builder can give you an upfront quote that you can then compare in the market, why can’t doctors do the same? Builders have indemnity, staff and utility costs also, as do most businesses, but for some reason the word “untouchable” comes to mind when we talk about doctors.

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Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/australian-medical-association-reveal-the-best-and-worst-of-health-funds/news-story/da7d0d9ad1c0b315aa326cbaff0d36d1

 

 

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Eric
Eric from QLD commented:

Complete silence from whoever it was at FiftyUp Club responsible for the deal with HCF. Do they even read these comments? Do they care? We're encouraged to switch in various areas and told how our strength in numbers is so rewarding but that appears to be the end of it. 

Raie
Raie from QLD commented:

Most people are living longer and should not have their premium increased because of age. I believe a rebate should be forthcoming if a claim is not made within a 12 month period. 

Rosemary
Rosemary from VIC commented:

I just received a quote from you but it didn't give me the current cover I now have which is corporate top hospital, no excess and corporate top extras 85 This is with Medibank Private 

George
George from NSW commented:

Agree with many comments that this discussion is useless, and FiftyUp Club needs to make stronger representations to the Govt to remove large Gaps, and enforce lower fees with standard comparable Products for better competition. Currently, the Private Health Insurance system in Australia is a fraud on the people, as the Govt forces it on people (with penalties), approves large increases in premiums every year, and yet forces Patients to bear the Risk of Gaps and high Doctors fees. Insurance companies need to bear these Risks of Gaps (all except 15% of Medicare Scheduled Fees) and high Doctors Fees, including for costs of Diagnostic Tests and Pharmaceuticals. Otherwise it is not Insurance, simply a scheme to refund part of costs. Insurance companies are getting away with a complete con on people without taking on these Risks, and making great profits. The Govt needs to change Laws as needed, and allow / persuade Insurance companies to cover all Risks for Gap Fees and all Medical Costs (all except 15% of Medicare Scheduled Fees), and then create a competitive market by ensuring Standard Products with full coverage are offered. 

kevin
kevin from NSW commented:

I took out cover with MEDIBANK forty three years ago to cover my young family and now my children have all grown up and moved on . All that are left under the same level of cover are my wife and I . And yet my policy price has only changed in one direction "UP' . The cost of covering two adults and four children was less than the three hundred a month it now costs to cover two adults. Yet we see all these wonderful deals advertised for younger people that are not available to us ' oldies ' . Is it any wonder so many people are dropping out of private health insurance , I also am considering it . 

Someone
Someone from QLD commented:

How can an 82yo afford a 13% premium increase? Well, a 79 yo can't afford a 14.7% increase that's for sure. Our Australian Unity premium will rise by $38.45 a month which is 14.7%. What happened to the average 5% increase we were told to expect. I have tried on 2 occasions to phone AU but gave up after 20 mins. both times. I am trying to see what it will cost with $500 excess but it's getting all too hard. Even the compare sites only tell you part of the story and you are never sure what you will end up with. What a nightmare! 

Sue
Sue from NSW commented:

I have checked out HCf rates, & they're considerably higher than my current fund, for the same cover. I think the Fifty Up club could research a better deal. 

Dennis
Dennis from NSW commented:

Why comment no one cares. 

Leonie
Leonie from QLD commented:

Simple...... Were all over 50 now.... change health insurance companies. I was loyal to MBF(now BUPA) in the day then changed to CUA. Now their prices are getting so high. Rang APIA (Australian Pensioners Insurance Agency) and nearly fell off my chair when I found out their prices. So guess where I'm going. 

Someone
Someone from QLD replied to Leonie:

Helen from QLD.I am with HCF as long standing customer but they refuse to help me. Checked out APIA and the are only $2 different but offer better cover for dental and optical! I am retiring to a full pension in May and there seems to be no assistance fron anyone not even Fifty Up Club can make a difference 

Annette
Annette from VIC commented:

I too feel cross about the price hikes But without private cover i would have had to wait months and months before seeing a specialist and then to wait even longer for surgery on my thyroid which has saved my sanity. Then needs to be a better compromise with tax relief for those who pay their own way. 

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