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Over 50s reckon Budget fair enough, but not great hopes

Over 50s reckon Budget fair enough, but not great hopes

While the argy-bargy about how fair the Budget is (or isn’t) continues in Canberra, it’s reassuring to share some common-sense from the wisdom of the crowd that is FiftyUp Club members.

More than 3,400 of you answered our snap poll after the Budget and found overall it was both fair and unlikely to change your voting intentions.

But you were equally divided as to whether Mr Hockey’s planned expenditures and savings would actually solve any of the long-term challenges facing the country.

There were four concise multiple-choice questions on the Budget; how fair was it in your assessment, what was its impact on your lives and how likely was it to change both your vote and address Australia’s problems?

The results in summary were:

  • Only 1/3 of you say the Budget was unfair on over-50s
  • 42% say it had a negative impact on them, and
  • Nearly 2/3 say it's not a vote-changer.

We know from previous questionnaires that 48% of you are prepared to identify as coalition voters and 22% as Labor.

Some 70% describe themselves as pensioners and part pensioners – or expect to be in their retirement.

Here are the results in more detail:

Fairness: Almost half (47%) felt it was very or quite fair as opposed to 32% who believed it was very or quite unfair. The neutral measured 21%.

Impact: In terms of personal impact 42% thought it would be severely or slightly negative, 33% were neutral and just 25% a slightly or extremely positive impact.

Voting intention: 63% says the Budget was not at all or very unlikely to see them change their vote. Another 23% said it was quite or very likely to change their vote and 13% were neutral.

Long-term solutions: Split down the middle, with 42% on each side finding it equally likely or unlikely to make a difference. The neutrals were 15%.

It’s interesting many of you were prepared to mark the Budget up as being fair while at the same time acknowledging it was going to cost you something.

Perhaps you were one of the 300,000+ who stood to lose pension entitlements through the tighter eligibility requirements.

It’s taken Labor almost two weeks and detailed analysis they commissioned from NATSEM, the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling, to pronounce the Budget as ‘unfair’ for low-income families on Monday.

ACOSS, the Australian Council of Social Service, says their modelling shows the government’s decisions to hold onto most of last year’s cuts as well as bring in new ones this May would cost lower-income families and Australians some $15 billion over the next four years.

So there’s plenty more argument to come about the Budget and who does, or doesn’t, carry the can in terms of the cost of the cuts. The focus has been on families so far but expect it to return to the highly contested area of retirement incomes soon.

In the meantime we’ll make the pollies aware of what you think in surveys like this.

For starters, we’ll be on air this afternoon talking to Chris Smith about the snap poll on 2GB 873 at 1.10pm, so do tune in!

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Someone from NSW commented:

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview201516/Pensions 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Social Services Minister Scott Morrison has secured the support of the Greens for his legislation tightening the pensions assets test , saying the measures would go to the Senate as soon as possible: In a statement, Mr Morrison said the measures would mean that more than 170,000 pensioners with “low and modest levels of assets” will have their pension increased by around $30 a fortnight once the changes come into effect in 2017. “Support for the single largest savings measure in this year’s Budget, following passage of the Government’s cornerstone small business measures, demonstrates the Abbott Government is successfully getting on with the job of implementing our ‘have a go’ Budget,” he said. “… I commend the Australian Greens, and their new Leader Senator Di Natale, supported by Senator Siewert, for their constructive engagement with the Government on this measure.” The changes, which would come into effect from January 2017, would mean: Around 170,000 pensioners with modest assets would have their pensions increased by an average of around $30 per fortnight (including those on a part pension) Around 91,000 current part pensioners will no longer qualify for the part and a further 235,000 will have their part pension reduced To qualify for a full pension, the assets free area will increase to $250,000 for single home owners and $375,000 for couples Part pensioners owning their own home will have their maximum threshold reduced to $823,000 and $547,000 for couples and singles respectively The move, announced on Tuesday evening, has already drawn criticism from Labor. Deputy Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek said the deal would cut the pension for 330,000 people, while former treasurer Wayne Swan said they were "fleecing pensioners on modest incomes [and] demonising them as welfare bludgers". 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/5506.0 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

What should be of interest to most of you: http://www.theirfairshare.org.au/compare-your-tax-rate?utm_campaign=150615_tax&utm_medium=email&utm_source=australianlaborparty 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

Can't be for real! Appalling, really: why do they keep taxing us (a divorce cost this morning an extra $350 in court fees !) while letting the big fish with big fat cigars thru the b*******, I never voted for that! I want my grand children to study FOR FREE with the assive amount of taxes I paid throughout my life, I want free healthcare, cheap utilities! We pay enough taxes to cover for all those basic costs, trust me! 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Alain:

Refer above table of taxes collected 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

Did you know? Between two petitions on my change.org/Jetstar and another to Joe Hockey below, over 170,000 signatures have been received so far!! Writes Klaus Bartosch: But now I AM SHOCKED that the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) is even considering expanding the current regulations that would enable all business to apply a Credit Card Surcharge ON EVERY PURCHASE WE MAKE! It’s not only buying a new home that Joe Hockey is out of touch with!! WE ALL MUST ACT NOW as the new RBA is finalizing its position in late August. I have said consistently that these costs should be included in the advertised price and that the credit card surcharges we have been seeing, ranging anything from 1.5% to 10% or 1700% in the case of Qantas owned Jetstar, bare no resemblance to the actual cost to the business itself. THEY ARE SIMPLY A RIPOFF ON CONSUMERS TO DRIVE PROFITS. It seems to me that the RBA and Joe Hockey are all for: • hurting consumers by increasing their cost of living • annoy customers and get in the way of growing small business, and • increase red tape – regulation would be out of kilter with government policy by imposing additional monitoring costs on businesses Businesses incur a wide range of variable costs which are built into standard costs, for example electricity and weekend wages. Costs for accepting credit and debit cards should not be treated differently. They are another “cost of doing business”. If businesses don’t want to absorb the costs of certain payment methods, they can choose not to accept them. Regulation is unnecessary and offers no additional benefit. Nothing short of a recommendation from government for a regulatory ban on payment surcharging will eliminate these unnecessary charges. They are banned almost everywhere else in the world so why are we allowing them to exist in this country? I NEED YOUR HELP TO PLACE PRESSURE ON JOE HOCKEY AS TREASURER TO BAN THESE CHARGES ONCE AND FOR ALL! 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

and Fairfax is reporting today that “experts” are calling on the Government to preclude wealthy home owners from accessing the Aged Pension, instead calling on them to take-out reverse mortgages against their homes. 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

No need to save for ones retirement, now... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

It seems Treasurer Joe Hockey’s goal of “ending the age of entitlement” doesn’t extend to his own family, with the Daily Telegraph reporting yesterday that taxpayers are paying him $1,000 a month to stay at his wife’s $2 million home in Canberra: TREASURER Joe Hockey charges taxpayers $1000 a month. Most of you are happy with YOUR a, aren't you? 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

*your treasurer 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

SOOOOO SHAMEFUL ! 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Alain:

Yep, Alain no wonder I have no one to reply to my posts! This is what many here offered us for government! And they won't even be apologetic, some like Warren still whinge and insult me! 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Alain:

Hockey should resign, frankly! Or we are all bogans... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

ONLY "FIFO" workers, no locals allowed under Abbott's government, why doesn't he intervene, the bigot? Incompetent he is: http://www.ourjobs.org.au/dont_lock_locals_out 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

Greedy multinationals RUN Australia now, not its government, anonymous, too obvious. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

He missed him, a real pity: 33-year-old Ocean View man David Sprigg has been charged after allegedly throwing a pair of shoes at Immigration Minister Peter Dutton. The man charged with throwing his shoes at Peter Dutton has put out a statement accusing the Immigration Minister of hypocrisy. David Sprigg, who described himself as a horticulturist, said the action was a protest against human rights abuses against refugees. "It is hypocritical for Peter Dutton to appear at a festival welcoming refugees when his government continues to lock up indefinitely asylum seekers who have committed no crime, and turn back boats at sea who are attempting to seek refuge in Australia," he said. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

I thought we all arrived in Australia on boats, did not we? 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

He allegedly threw two shoes at Dutton the Moron (I've never seen that moron smile, ever: have you? What a government, yes, anonymous!), still, missed every time! 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Alain:

I know, he never smiles, a sign that he is definitely incompetent, is not at ease in the job... I wrote to him telling him how to proceed with this problem but never mind the number of winds he breaks before a public engagement (this trick is called the 'private tutor trick') it doesn't work for him... Don't know really what to do, what to tell him, now... It brings Tear Gas to my eyes... 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

LOL, mate! 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

I love someone who puts a smile on my cheeks in here! All boring old farts aren't they, except for the odd exception... They would not even contribute towards helping one of us, Carole who is in a financial emergency, the bogans! I had also $20 ready to be transferred into her bank account, she is shying away (no wonder, with this pathetic mob ..). And they keep harassing us, to the point of insulting us, playing the guy every time, NOT THE BALL, if we don't want to accept their tired concepts of an Oz society, their fascist and dangerous ideas ! 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Alain:

Like my "private tutor trick" Alain? Works also well for Lizzy: noticed her smile every time she addresses us? Philip (the sickest man in the UK, did you know it?) calls it her "noble gas", very effective it puts a smile on her cheeks every time ... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Who is happy with the sale in NSW of our Poles and Wires -many of you rubber stamped- to a foreign company (Chinese, perhaps since the "farm" Australia is now entirely on the market...)? The power networks senior management salary bill which would be expected to grow from its current $4.4 million a year to something much greater than the Victorian company's $8 million, given the much larger revenues and employee numbers. If the salaries matched their Victorian counter-parts in proportion to the revenue of the companies, the remuneration of ten senior executives would grow to $39 million a year, a nine-fold growth. However, it is likely that salaries would only increase in the first instance a factor of two or three. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

...I would appreciate your comments, sticking to the subject of this thread... 

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