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Over 50s reckon Budget fair enough, but not great hopes

Over 50s reckon Budget fair enough, but not great hopes

While the argy-bargy about how fair the Budget is (or isn’t) continues in Canberra, it’s reassuring to share some common-sense from the wisdom of the crowd that is FiftyUp Club members.

More than 3,400 of you answered our snap poll after the Budget and found overall it was both fair and unlikely to change your voting intentions.

But you were equally divided as to whether Mr Hockey’s planned expenditures and savings would actually solve any of the long-term challenges facing the country.

There were four concise multiple-choice questions on the Budget; how fair was it in your assessment, what was its impact on your lives and how likely was it to change both your vote and address Australia’s problems?

The results in summary were:

  • Only 1/3 of you say the Budget was unfair on over-50s
  • 42% say it had a negative impact on them, and
  • Nearly 2/3 say it's not a vote-changer.

We know from previous questionnaires that 48% of you are prepared to identify as coalition voters and 22% as Labor.

Some 70% describe themselves as pensioners and part pensioners – or expect to be in their retirement.

Here are the results in more detail:

Fairness: Almost half (47%) felt it was very or quite fair as opposed to 32% who believed it was very or quite unfair. The neutral measured 21%.

Impact: In terms of personal impact 42% thought it would be severely or slightly negative, 33% were neutral and just 25% a slightly or extremely positive impact.

Voting intention: 63% says the Budget was not at all or very unlikely to see them change their vote. Another 23% said it was quite or very likely to change their vote and 13% were neutral.

Long-term solutions: Split down the middle, with 42% on each side finding it equally likely or unlikely to make a difference. The neutrals were 15%.

It’s interesting many of you were prepared to mark the Budget up as being fair while at the same time acknowledging it was going to cost you something.

Perhaps you were one of the 300,000+ who stood to lose pension entitlements through the tighter eligibility requirements.

It’s taken Labor almost two weeks and detailed analysis they commissioned from NATSEM, the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling, to pronounce the Budget as ‘unfair’ for low-income families on Monday.

ACOSS, the Australian Council of Social Service, says their modelling shows the government’s decisions to hold onto most of last year’s cuts as well as bring in new ones this May would cost lower-income families and Australians some $15 billion over the next four years.

So there’s plenty more argument to come about the Budget and who does, or doesn’t, carry the can in terms of the cost of the cuts. The focus has been on families so far but expect it to return to the highly contested area of retirement incomes soon.

In the meantime we’ll make the pollies aware of what you think in surveys like this.

For starters, we’ll be on air this afternoon talking to Chris Smith about the snap poll on 2GB 873 at 1.10pm, so do tune in!

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Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

So has, gone ... the "Northern Territory Draught" beer ! !! Imagine Qld without its XXXX, Victoria without its V.B./Carlton Draught, NSW without its Tooheys, or WA without its Swan, or Tasmania without its Boags/Cascade, or South Australia without its Coopers... WHAT A LIFE WITH ABBOTT AT THE HELM ! SORRY, NOT THE AUSTRALIA I LIKE, MYSELF, ALL GLOOMY AND RAN DOWN ! 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

*and RUN DOWN... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

On the nose it was slightly sweet with some honey and grains the predominant smell before some hops take over towards the back end. The biggest problem with a 2 litre bottle is always going to be drinkability and this is one of the better drinking macro lagers out there. The hop bitterness is quite pronounced but well balanced by the sweetish honey flavour. Could be that the "draught" version will still be available? I hope so myself since when I read "Beer o'clock", I was quite impressed: <Despite only having one beer the Northern Territory, which isn't even produced in the territory anymore, I think they have performed really well in this challenge. This is actually quite a good macro lager and (arguably) Carlton & United's best product. Hopefully within the hour I will have a post up to crown Australia's first True Brew champion.> 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

If you follow the sharemarket, BBX... COLLAPSED! Gone with massive losses for some... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

ASX? Perkins? The Libs? We should soon find out... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Want to know who the REALLY DANGEROUS "refugees" are according to a Nick Folkes? Could it be another "creation" & "lack of action" of your LNP friends? In that case, you do not need a "boat" to harm the country and your obnoxious government has, once again, "got it very wrong", or have they? I let you be the judge: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/race-hate-flyer-distributed-in-sydneys-north-shore-and-inner-city-20150529-ghayxq 

Someone
Someone commented:

I am a concerned Aussie who has worked hard all of my life and never been out of a job however I am comfortable but don't have much to show for it due to my personal situations, I believe the budget to be fair if we wish to get back on track and reduce the dept for our grand children and the people in the future, every body will be touched by this budget in one way or another, some worse than others however if everybody contributes a little bit than the pain if not quite so bad, some people can not see that the spending was totally out of control and while ever they were getting something for nothing they were happy but you can not spend more than what you earn, this is what some people are reluctant to accept. Kindest Regards John. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Thanks Anon/John for an attempt at a balanced comment. What's wrong with this budget would take a full page, but to keep with the most 'shocking', Jenny Macklin is the one who has been relentless in exposing that this budget is as bad for families as the last one. A typical family loses $6000 a year. 9 out of 10 of the wealthiest families are better off and 9 out of 10 of the poorest families are worse off. 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

A very balanced comment. Don't worry about the NSW 'A' response. It's in the minority. Also, I can't stand the shreeking from Jenny Macklin and Shorten's NATSEM report as they left out C02 benefits and Children costs < 6 years. What a shocker! 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

"in the Minority"? You bet, now your LNP have proven how cruel and incompetent they are! Let me laugh! I trust my fellow compatriots, at the end of the day, one mistake, if happens only once is just that, a mistake one learns from... You will not, yourself, learn from your mistake, it would seem... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

..and your CO2 & kids cost is pure "propaganda" from the Libs, like the rest, it doesn't have any legs... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Please, remember, LNP IS about "IDEOLOGIES" ONLY ! They don't care about the majority, the large number of families who -for most of them- do not vote for them, big cigar smoking fat cats... If you are truly loaded, very few of us are, you support them, yes: I wonder if Warren is THAT loaded, himself? 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

could u please elaborate further on your undecipherable : "NATSEM report as they left out C02 benefits and Children costs < 6 years"? Thanks. Christian (You are not talking about the amount of CO2 refugees exhale, are you? Could be of interest to your PM, if it had "legs" that is, he is looking for "anything" that will make him look "clever"...) 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

This hasn’t had as much publicity as it should but there was an unbelievable cut in the Budget where George Brandis raided the Australia Council funding and established his own vault to pick and choose which Australian stories would be funded and told. Some warned before the election that he’d do something like this and he responded saying it was a “spectacularly brazened lie”. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

... Oh and in case you missed it, in a mark of true independence the Speaker ejected a member of the Liberal Party from the Parliament on Thursday. This evens up the score to Liberal 7 Labor 365. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

...Oh and referring to the above on Brandis, a "Save Arts Funding" petition is currently being run by Labor, sign it if you feel Australian stories must be told without political interference: http://www.alp.org.au/independentarts?utm_campaign=290515_5and5&utm_medium=email&utm_source=australianlaborparty 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

Labor exits - only 365! If it was up to me the whole lot would be panned. They treat Q? time as a joke. Grow up Shorten. You should resign citing gross incompetence. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

Please, Warren, be gentle with your next PM 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

Why "gross incompetence", he has not been in power yet... Your PM Abbott has been, what do you think of his governance? Or are you an imbecile? 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

To the LNP voters: I could add to what is the beginning of a long list, but I will not add to it -unless some would request it- and I want you, LNP voters, to now know one thing: YOU HAVE PUT THIS COUNTRY IN THE "S***" ! 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

I’ve been arguing for some time that Australia is in a real mess. I don’t do it for the sport of it. I don’t do it to fear-monger. I do it as a concerned Aussie — concerned about the direction this country is taking and concerned about the utter economic mismanagement we’re subject to. --I’ve also argued that we won’t get genuine reform until we have a genuine crisis. Well, a genuine crisis is on its way. Whether it hits this year, next year or even the year after that, it’s a moot point. --What is almost certain is that our economic trajectory is assured. We have a completely inept government (on both sides, I might add) unable to see past their noses and understand the looming problems. Anything they try to do now will just make things worse. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Again, for the LNP voters & their "new" lucky country, from a Greg Canavan, economist: Yesterday, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) released data on actual and projected capital expenditure in the Aussie economy. In short, the data was ugly. Here’s Peter Martin from the SMH.com: ‘Two weeks after the budget, Australia's economic outlook is bleak. ‘Mining as well as non-mining firms are planning to slash investment in the year ahead, cutting total investment spending by 21 per cent. ‘The Bureau of Statistics survey conducted in April and May is at odds with the budget forecast of a lift in non-mining investment. ‘The survey of chief financial officers shows mining firms expect to cut investment 34 per cent, manufacturing firms 24 per cent, and other firms 6.1 per cent.’ --That is a big fall…a recessionary fall. It makes a mockery of the government’s 3.25% economic growth forecast for 2016/17. It will be much, much worse than that. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

For the LNP voters, here is what your "new" lucky country looks like: Every day, in every Australian classroom, three kids on average arrive at school hungry. A worrying new survey by relief organisation Foodbank Australia reveals classroom teachers are increasingly concerned their students are skipping breakfast, leaving them unable to properly concentrate on lessons and more likely to be disruptive. Two thirds of classroom teachers say a handful of their students habitually come to school hungry, with around three kids in every classroom estimated to have skipped breakfast on any typical school day. The problem is worse in public than private schools and more likely to happen in the country. Read more on News . com . au 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Lovelock is right when he says: "As a result of global warming, billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable" by the end of the 21st century. He has been quoted in The Guardian that 80% of humans will perish by 2100 AD. Which reminds me myself, of course, of our own eminent Frank Fenner ! I invite you to peruse thru his work: http://phys.org/news/2010-06-humans-extinct-years-eminent-scientist.html 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

* "late" eminent Frank Fenner: Frank John Fenner, AC, CMG, MBE, FRS, FAA (21 December 1914 – 22 November 2010) was an Australian scientist with a distinguished career in the field of virology. His two greatest achievements are cited as overseeing the eradication of smallpox, and the control of Australia's rabbit plague through the introduction of Myxoma virus. 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

Fenner has certainly more credentials on the topic than Alan Jones, notwithstanding his efforts and those of many of his colleagues, Alan... How have we come to be that stupid in Oz? Can't be radio stations, can it? Could it be the internet? 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

FYI: John F Kennedy stole what was to become the best-known quote of his 1961 inaugural address – from his old headmaster (*). He enraged his former classmates by plagiarising the line 'ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country', which they had heard 'time and time again' in a similar form at school. (*) Chris Matthews in "Jack Kennedy: elusive hero" unearthed notes written by George St John, the President’s former headmaster at Choate School in Connecticut, which suggest he had been aware of the 'ask not' line for many years. 

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