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Over 50s reckon Budget fair enough, but not great hopes

Over 50s reckon Budget fair enough, but not great hopes

While the argy-bargy about how fair the Budget is (or isn’t) continues in Canberra, it’s reassuring to share some common-sense from the wisdom of the crowd that is FiftyUp Club members.

More than 3,400 of you answered our snap poll after the Budget and found overall it was both fair and unlikely to change your voting intentions.

But you were equally divided as to whether Mr Hockey’s planned expenditures and savings would actually solve any of the long-term challenges facing the country.

There were four concise multiple-choice questions on the Budget; how fair was it in your assessment, what was its impact on your lives and how likely was it to change both your vote and address Australia’s problems?

The results in summary were:

  • Only 1/3 of you say the Budget was unfair on over-50s
  • 42% say it had a negative impact on them, and
  • Nearly 2/3 say it's not a vote-changer.

We know from previous questionnaires that 48% of you are prepared to identify as coalition voters and 22% as Labor.

Some 70% describe themselves as pensioners and part pensioners – or expect to be in their retirement.

Here are the results in more detail:

Fairness: Almost half (47%) felt it was very or quite fair as opposed to 32% who believed it was very or quite unfair. The neutral measured 21%.

Impact: In terms of personal impact 42% thought it would be severely or slightly negative, 33% were neutral and just 25% a slightly or extremely positive impact.

Voting intention: 63% says the Budget was not at all or very unlikely to see them change their vote. Another 23% said it was quite or very likely to change their vote and 13% were neutral.

Long-term solutions: Split down the middle, with 42% on each side finding it equally likely or unlikely to make a difference. The neutrals were 15%.

It’s interesting many of you were prepared to mark the Budget up as being fair while at the same time acknowledging it was going to cost you something.

Perhaps you were one of the 300,000+ who stood to lose pension entitlements through the tighter eligibility requirements.

It’s taken Labor almost two weeks and detailed analysis they commissioned from NATSEM, the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling, to pronounce the Budget as ‘unfair’ for low-income families on Monday.

ACOSS, the Australian Council of Social Service, says their modelling shows the government’s decisions to hold onto most of last year’s cuts as well as bring in new ones this May would cost lower-income families and Australians some $15 billion over the next four years.

So there’s plenty more argument to come about the Budget and who does, or doesn’t, carry the can in terms of the cost of the cuts. The focus has been on families so far but expect it to return to the highly contested area of retirement incomes soon.

In the meantime we’ll make the pollies aware of what you think in surveys like this.

For starters, we’ll be on air this afternoon talking to Chris Smith about the snap poll on 2GB 873 at 1.10pm, so do tune in!

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Gordon
Gordon from NSW commented:

Yes, Warren Seems that it is a waste of time as sensible input is not being received, rather a load of rubbish so I am giving it a miss until the the site is cleaned up 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Gordon:

A load of rubbish? I beg yours? ONLY serious topics are treated by me herein, double-check, mate! SO selfish and individualist, soooo mean, small-minded and at the end of the day, obsolete. Things will improve the day you will look at all the possibilities offered by the many political parties in Australia, the toxic Budget is the reward for having voted for the LNP, one reaps what he sows, usually... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

"It takes a village to raise a child" and as the "elders", the over 50 in our Aussie society, we have a role to play, we must speak out if we know something is very wrong. Two thousand years ago, a guy well known guy by the name of Jesus said: "be yourself & speak your mind"... This platform is ideally suited to play our part in society but, again, if we are not too busy counting the dough in our SMSF, that is... Think of what has got to be addressed: homelessness, the mistreatment of refugees, of aboriginals, adults and children, the unaustralian, the unfair approach of this government when it comes to superannuation, to jobs, to climate change, to... "you name it"... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

And here is for my fellow Club members, before we are deprived of our basic rights by this government, a compulsory read to understand what is happening now in the Middle East: David Kilcullen, former Australian Army officer and counterinsurgency expert Author of Quarterly Essay 58 Blood Year: Terror and the Islamic State Publisher: Black Inc Where will be revealed to you that the next phase of this chaos could involve the use of nuclear weapons ( a 40+ % chance! ). You can also listen to a VERY INTERESTING (Guaranteed! YOU WILL NOT LOOK BACK, perfect listening on a cold day, or night!) interview by Paul Barclay of the author on Radio National, Google : ' Islamic State and global terrorism: where to now? ' or listen to: http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programitem/pgQk7AX5mV?play=true 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

What can fifty up members suggest with the view of correcting the gross injustice which sees approx. 1000 essentially aboriginal children as young as ten years old in our jails? The Amenesty International representative who was touring Bourke and Walgett yesterday calls with strong words for a change to our approach, he wants more prevention, less repression: "the costs associated with the repression of juvenile crime could be well outbalanced by what it costs to prevent such incarcerations, these 1000 children cost more to the system than if they were schooled in private schools in Switzerland" he said. Any idea our the elders we are in our society could contribute? Would it be with ideas... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

*any idea "how" ... 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

Where's the evidence of your suggested 1000 aboriginal children under 10 years of age in jail - an absolutely bizarre comment NSW 'A'. If that was the case, we would all be incensed. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

B***S*** "incensed"? Yobbos cannot be incensed, rednecks neither... 

Someone
Someone commented:

Anonymous is telling the truth I heard Amnesty International's secretary-general Salil Shetty say:"1000 or so aboriginal children are in the Australian prison system" on the radio and found this: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-02/indigenous-youth-detention-amnesty-international-report/6514462 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

better remain 'anonymous', other "anonymous"...lol... I can also confirm the figure of 1000 it was quoted by the secretary genaral of A.I. this morning on ABC local radio in the interview by Linda Mottram 

Gordon
Gordon from NSW commented:

Thanks Warren Please see my reply 

Gordon
Gordon from NSW commented:

Reply to Warren Thanks Warren, looks like a Hijack on the Forum which is intended to allow the views of 50 Up members , however , I agree the Moderator should have a look at the situation as most of us were taught to say our 2 bobs worth and respect the others right to their views and express them via speech or print. Generally, we all learn from this as many are affected particularly by Govt decisions in ways that we did not know about . Nasty personal attacks don't win any points at all. Not much point in wasting more time as the subject has been lost in the rubbish. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Gordon:

Thank you for reminding Warren that PERSONAL ATTACKS achieve NOTHING, Gordon. As far as whom is Hijacking the platform: it is NOT someone who puts a different view to yours on the deceiving and nasty activities of the coalition who is hijacking 50UpClub comments section, whether it bothers you or not. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Gordon:

Spot on Gordon. I can't comprehend anything it says though. Maybe it could provide brief points rather than ramblings. 

Someone
Someone replied to Warren:

Can you, as a matter of fact, read? Try to slow down, read SLOWLY... 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

Why not very brief points rather than some one else's quotes. Have you any original views? 

Gordon
Gordon from NSW commented:

Good one Christian, (think I have heard the name before ) Glad to know that you are there but drop the Anonymous bit ...Much better Yes, Walgett has more problems which I am fully aware of ( and unhappy about )... I didn't attend school there but my father did ...We had moved by the time I was to attend a rural school...similar in lots of areas ...the Nationals have not done enough to help those they represent ..Check out who from their ranks now front up for overseas miners .... even Craig Thompson got himself a start in China ( hope no credit card- just bauxite ) 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Gordon:

I appreciate your input Gordon. Forget the NSW ‘A’ imbecile. One does not build up a contrarian view by denigrating everyone’s input. Its input is indecipherable without exception. I can’t understand why 50UP moderator tolerates such rubbish. No doubt we have a stalker amongst our numbers, and a lowly (corrupt) union hack at that! 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

yone's input? You hate the guts of Labor, of anything NOT LNP, don't you, fascist idiot? 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

...if I am an "imbecile" you may as well be 'that', mind you, it is better than being a fascist redneck I recently discovered, those ones get the same treatment with me they would love to inflict upon others, the "garbils" and they absolutely hate it, a bit like the pink jail outfits the little parrot of Newman wanted the inmates of Qld jails to wear, the sick fascist (knocked of from the USA, no merit neither there)... Once a dummy, always a dummy, but you are lucky they will let you express yourself herein (despite the massive failures of your political party here) , they are more clever than you at 50UP, and I will tell you a last thing as a Christian, as Bill would say:"God bless you", [nevertheless, or perhaps, 'cause of being so cruel, like LNP voters are, check the kid on Manus who has had a fracture of his arm with unbelievable pain for months, but he is ONLY a refugee seeking asylum in Australia [who deserves to suffer, no?...]... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

go to your room, Warren 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Sorry, my dear 50 Up club members acolytes, we ALL know that there will always be idiots who play "the guy", not "the ball" on this superb platform of ours [on this planet of ours], again sorry for him. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

...and for God' sake, what allows you to even THINK that your little crappy self should get involved when I have a civilized conversation with Gordon, Warren, you, BULLY? 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Gordon:

and the Supermarket in Fox street has been rebuilt after the 2013 fire, thanks God... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Referring to my com of the 29th May 7.24 PM please, find a helpful 'tool' (compliments "Domain") to get some understanding in where ALL this Chinese money comes from to purchase our Real Estate: http://news.domain.com.au/domain/real-estate-news/villa-del-mare-lola-wang-li-and-the-secretive-web-of-chinese-wealth-20150531-ghdfid.html 

Gordon
Gordon from NSW commented:

Replied to Anonymous from NSW First up come out from behind your anonymous shield and put your name to what you have to say .sniping at people does your cause no good and you cannot get your message over ..Droughts have been around forever and farming communities are not being assisted enough during the current one ... go there and see ..try Walgett for starters if in NSW and the Homeless figures you are quoting are at least 10 years old , there are many more people in that situation now . I did not mention anything re Coal , however, Coal production in NSW is declining but "open cuts" are a problem in productive lands and Governments ( State and Federal) needs to toughen up on this aspect, plus the royalties being lost. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Gordon:

You see bush rangers everywhere, Gordon! OK, it's a deal, my name is Christian Grey, I was born... No! Sorry, I stop there... How will this disclosure improve our exchanges, herein? I know nothing else from you, Gordon, is it THAT important that I let the world know my Christian name (I even went further...) ? The competent Fifty Up Club's management knows who I am where I reside (IP address obliging...) and please, trust their moderation skills... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Walgett, Gordon! A place I know well... What is a serious problem in Walgett is the problem with the kids and their schooling! So is domestic violence, unreal in that part of the world what goes on! As far as our poor farmers, it is now time they ask their National Party to treat Climate Change as the PRIORITY IT IS: and expect even worse conditions with the El Nino phase the climate is at the moment, for how long? No one knows... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Good night, over fifty club members, forget our politics for 48 hours, have a beer -with Duncan- and have a great weekend ! Anon 

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