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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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Con
Con from NSW commented:

This liberal government keeps targeting the vulnerable we are not seeing enough from.our politicians to stop this government from continuing to target the vulnerable who could least afford it 

Lynn
Lynn from NSW commented:

Is there any point in running through the "old chestnuts" no one who is in power seems to be listening? We are a family of 3 with a teenage adult (technically) child having a moderate level of disability but currently in 2nd of proposed 8 years university training. We are happy to support our child through these years (difficult to work & study full time with a disability) but are both in our mid sixties and need access to all that we have worked hard to save in the way of superannuation. We get no support after 18 for a still dependent child and have found it is impossible to obtain work because of our ages. Interestingly children are still considered dependent by Centrelink until 22 even though their parents are not entitled to support after 18 which is a "catch 22" (pardon the pun). The main TERROR is that moronic/greedy politicians of any persuasion will play around with our superannuation yet again and knock down our lifelong plans to support ourselves and our child to working independence. An independent body sounds good in theory but would they be subject to interference from the politicians greed and the under 50"s seemingly aggressive belief that the aged are a burden that deserve nothing for their 40 to 50 years of "hard labour" and payment of taxes. 

ian
ian from QLD commented:

No one in their right mind would want any government to be managing their superannuation, it would be wasted in a very short time with no hpoe of ever getting it back, and also creating an even bigger burden on our children and their clildren and their children infinitem. Who ever votes Green must be nuts. 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

Alain and Kevin and others,if the Labour party had done these pension changes then there would have been a public outcry by the media,even Andrew Bolt's hair would have stood on end ( is it real ?) The Libs and the wanna bees supporting them do it and the silence is deafening. Why ? Most of the media is now owned by wealthy Lib supporters with their own agendas. The ABC is the only stand out and they are labelled as jihadists and Abbot wants their heads !!! It will be difficult for Labour to get re elected, and guaranteed if the Libs get back in then they will hit us seniors again as we are the burden on this country now ( Take us around the back shed and finish us off). Before the last election, I told my senior friends that the Libs would attack pensions, they all made fun of me as Abbot kept saying he wouldn't touch pensions, well, what do you know, he lied !!! BUT of course their outrageous pensions ( and not asset tested) remain unaffected. I urge all seniors to write letters, send emails, make noise, we are not just garbarge to be thrown on the heap......by the way, I have sent around a dozen emails to the greens voicing my concerns regarding what they did, I have received no response, but I will keep sending them. 

kelvin
kelvin from QLD commented:

Ontheagedpensionschemethegreenshavebeensuckedinbythecoalitionhavingageedtosupportthepropsedagedpensionchangestheyagreedtothisonthebasiscoalitionagreeingtoextendsubmissionsonthewhitepaperontaxreformgreensarehopingtoreformtaxationconcessionsonsuperannuationtonyabbothasconsistentlysaidnochangestotaxationconcessionsonsuperinthistermofgovtoranytermofgovernmentbudgetproposalsaffects91,000whowilllosetheagedpensionaltogetherand235,000willhavepensionsreducedatotalof326,000forcouplestheassettestthresholddropsfrom$1,150to$823,000adropof28.4%meaningadropofpensionincomeof$10,000to$12,000perannumforthoseaffectedacouplesassetsincludemotorvehiclesfurniture&fittings&aworkingcashbalancewhichmaytotal$40,000/$50,000thisleavescoupleswithalikely$780,000toinvesttoprovidefortheirretirement($823,000lesssay$43,000formotorvehiclesetcifcouplesdecidetheywant"norisk"abanktermdeposittheymayget$23,400(agedpensionis$33,716p.a.forcouples-$1296.80perfortnight)thecoalitionisnowforcingagedpensionersaffectedtoaccepthigherrisksayinvestmentinequitiesat6%or$46,800p.a.incomebutwithriskofmarketdownsideaswitnessedinmay/juneof8%-9%apossiblelossof$70,200whywouldthesechangesnotbegrandfatheredsopeoplewhohaveplannedforretirementsuddenlyhaveretirementplansindisarray.thishasbeenpolicyontherunbythecoalitionwhatisneededisacomprehensiveretirementincomesplantakingintoaccountthefollowingSUPERANNUATIONFAMILYASSETSFAMILYHOMENEGATIVEGEARINGCAPITALGAINSTAXthechangesareabrokenpromisebythecoalitionremembernochangesdbeforeseptember2013theneteffectofthepensionchangeswillbea$2.4billionsavingovertheforwardestimates(4years)Totalbudgetdeficitfor4yearsis$81billionthe$2.4billionhardlyasignificentsumcomparedtoTotalBudgetDeficittheGreenshavebeensuckedinandlegislationalmostcertaintopassbothHousesofPARLT,itseemstheonlyalternativeistowaitforthenextfederalelectionbeforeSEPT.2016tovoiceourprotests. 

leno
leno from VIC replied to kelvin:

Kelvin,can you resubmit, there are no spaces between words, very hard for an old timer like me to read, would appreciate please as your comments seem to back up my earlier ones, many thanks 

kelvin
kelvin from QLD replied to leno:

HI leno I have too many characters to have spaces unless I shorten my email my apologies ,I tried twice but failed regards 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to kelvin:

What about splitting it in two or three parts, kelvin? 

kelvin
kelvin from QLD replied to Alain:

ALAIN thanks for your response ,I had thought about splitting into parts ,fair comment time was of the essence ,my apologies 

kelvin
kelvin from QLD replied to leno:

Part 1 On the aged pension scene the GREENS have been'sucked in' by the Coalition Government ,agreeing to support the proposed budget measures. 2 They have done this on the basis of the Coalition agreeing to extend submissions on "The White Paper on Tax Reform". The Greens are hoping to reform taxation concessions on Superannuation.3Tony Abbott has consistently said there will be no changes to Taxation Concessions on super in this term of government or any term of government. 4 The Budget proposals affects 91,000 who will lose the aged pension altogether and 235,000 who will have pensions reduced -a Total of 326,000. 5 For couples the asset test threshold drops from$1,150.00 to $823,000.00 a drop of 28.4%.This will mean a drop of aged pension income of $10,000-$12,000 P.A for those affected. 6 A couples assets will include Motor Vehicles,furniture and fittings and a working Cash balance which may total$40,000-$50,000. 7 This leaves couples with a likely$780,000 to invest to provide an income for retirement.($823,000 less say $43,000 for motor vehicles etc) 8 if couples decide they want "no risk"with bank term deposits they may get 3% or$23,400(compared to aged pension of $33,716 p.a.for couples -$1296.80 per fortnight 9The Coalition is now forcing the aged pensioners affected to accept higher risk-say investment in equities at 6% OR $46,800 P.A.income,but with risk of market downside as witnessed in may/june 2015 of 8%-9% a possible loss of $70,200 (10) Why would these changes not be" grandfathered" so people who have planned for retirement suddenly have their retirement plans in disarray. this has been policy on the run by the coalition Part 2 To Follow 

kelvin
kelvin from QLD replied to leno:

Part 2 11 There needs to be a comprehensive retirement income plan that takes into account the following SUPERANNUATION FAMILY ASSETS FAMILY HOME NEGATIVE GEARING CAPITAL GAINS TAX 12 The changes are another broken promise by the Coalition ,Remember "No Changes To Pensions before 2013 13 The Net effect of the pension changes will be a saving of$2.4 billion over the forward Estimates ( 4 Years )The Total Budget Deficit Totals $81 billion. The $2.4 billion is hardly a significant sum when compared to the total "BUDGET DEFICIT" 14 Because the Greens have been "sucked in" and the legislation is almost certain to pass both houses of parliament, it seems the only alternative is to wait for the federal election before September 2016 to voice our protests. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to kelvin:

How many with that much in the bank would have voted for Abbott? 99% or so I will risk saying: YOU HAVE BEEN STUNG by ABBOTT, BIG TIME... 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

Deception, deception is what the Libs have always been about... They have now threwn us, mature Aussies "over board" ! 

Michael
Michael from NSW commented:

The Libs changed policy however the all in cause was the painful debt left by labour. it is a catch 22. labour would create a bigger mess if placed in power again, then we would all be effected by fiscal measures to save money. The one big thing from this is politicians do not take any cuts. 

kelvin
kelvin from QLD replied to Michael:

Michael part of my grief is this one of my close friends has nigh on $11million in his super tax rate 15% top tax rate is 47% no fairness there .the coalition will not go there ,but they changed in budget pension entitlements without consultation. the fair way would have been to grandfather changes. 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to kelvin:

EVERYTHING absolutely EVERYTHING is done "on the run" by this extremely BAD government, Kelvin... 

Christine
Christine from QLD commented:

Professor Dale Kerwin, Griffith University, makes a very good point about the need to Change the Entitlements for politicians. Of course, politicians make the rules to suit themselves and the rules are different for everyone else. How is that fair? Even though we worked and saved and invested for retirement we are still not allowed to be "too comfortable" because that wouldn't be "fair" to those who have to rely on the pension. Can we please get over these socialist notions and allow people who actually save and invest to help themselves retain a more than insignificant amount of savings and superannuation without the government wanting to tax it to oblivion. We shouldn't have to worry about the government taxing us into poverty or an uncomfortable retirement. And please, let's do something about the politicians' entitlements because it's not "fair" on the rest of us that they should be more comfortable at our expense. 

leno
leno from VIC replied to Christine:

Christine, totally agree, remember what Scott " I stopped the boats but wont tell you how" Morrison said, "The pension is for people who need it ", yet no asset test for politicians and their pensions compared to ours can only be commented as being outrageous and frankly obsene. Smoking Joe has many millions of assets over and above his family home ( which one is his family home ? ) and yet he will receive his pension ! How is this fair ? Are pollies jobs not REAL jobs like we had ? 

Yvonne
Yvonne from QLD commented:

Never thought I'd agree with Jeff Kennett, but on this issue I totally agree. I hope, like the last Queensland election, that the next federal election will send a message and we vote in a person who respects the contributions of those who have worked all their lives and paid taxes that enable politicians to retire without needing to worry like we do about our income surety. 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

Guys, there is no way known that pollies will hand over "control" of pensions and retirement matters over to an" independent" body. If they were independent then they would have to increase pensions at around $100 per week as the cost of living in Australia is totally out of control. Off course the budget could not sustain an increase of this size BUT it can sustain the present outrageous non asset tested of our present and past pollies. By the way, there is an absolute outcry that 'Rich and Wealthy' people pay for public education, where was the outcry when "rich and wealthy" pensioners were hit. The great mind, Mr. Spock from Startrek said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", bad luck if you are one of the few !! 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

By popular demand (leno): Tony Abbott’s education green paper recommends ending universal access to education in Australia. The official paper, currently being considered by the Liberals, includes plans to charge compulsory government fees to parents who send their kids to public schools and even suggests ending Federal funding for public schools altogether. I believe that now is the time when Australia should be securing its future success and fairness by investing in the education of our young Australians and the skills of our workforce. Instead, the changes being considered by the Liberals would take our education system back to the 1960s. Cutting federal funding to public schools and introducing compulsory government school fees for public school students is the biggest attack on public education by a federal government ever. If the Liberal government goes ahead with these changes they would end universal access to education in Australia. This is about our kids and our country’s future. Chris Grey (with some help from the Labor party of Australia) 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

You’ve just plagiarize these lines? It’s apparent you don’t understand the process of a green paper you dullard. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

I am extremely wary of anything 'green' coming from obnoxious psychopath bigot Abbott, aren't you yourself, ignoramus? 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

This does not make any sense. 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

If the Libs get in at the next election then heaven help us as they will presume a mandate to do all of what you state and they WILL attack pensions again . 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to leno:

We would have to be real 'giant NUTS' to vote the Libs in again! 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

Only squirrels store nuts. 

leno
leno from VIC replied to Warren:

Warren, can you please explain this comment ! 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

The Libs have become the masters of spin. They deflect, they leak and gauge reactions, they go for the popular issues eg. dual citizenship but sneak through the slashing of the energy renuable target ( where are the greens !)They have very very rich supporters that control the media and carry on that the ABC is biased ! Any sensitive issues are vollied back as being for political gain. The empress ( Julie Bishop) is a master at this one, remember all the tough rhetoric on MH17 being shot down, result is zilch, the right wing channels reporting that the destitute pensioners would get $30 per week extra when in fact it was $30 per fortnight, honest mistake ! Try getting a letter to the editor in the Herald Sun having a go at Abbot. $100 million royal commission trying to get Bill Shorten ( the same thing with Gillard and no " conviction" )...how about royal commission into all broken promises before last election. The polls are swinging to Libs because there are a lot of giant nuts around. 

George
George from VIC commented:

Definitely an outside organisation that pollies can't control & while we're at it, let's get their snouts out of the trough & share the same lot as we do! It is outrageous that they are able to exempt themselves from these machinations. 

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