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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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Lyn
Lyn from QLD commented:

We need to have people making decisions regarding OUR superannuation, pension rates and eligibility etc. who have experience of ACTUALLY LIVING on these levels of fortnightly income, though I seriously doubt there would be anyone in the pool of people appointed to these Commissions who would fit that bill. To understand the lot of thousands of age pensioners and self funded retirees, one would need to 'walk a mile in our shoes'. It is so easy to pontificate on any subject when you have absolutely no idea as to the REAL effect your decisions will have on those on whom they are thrust. We have worked long and hard to create a modest level of living standards for our remaining years, and the effect of this continual moving of the goalposts adds greatly to the stress of older Australians. 

Ron
Ron from NSW commented:

Yes let's push for Jeff Kennett's idea to become a reality. 

Darryl
Darryl from QLD commented:

Decisions being made by people who will never need the Pension. Because the Libs can't get other Budget Measure's passed by the hopeless Labour Party they attack the section of the Community that they think won't fight back. Independent Panel is the way to go Darryl from QLD 

brian
brian from QLD commented:

Yes , I agree with the suggestion that Retirement Incomes should be in the Hands of an independent expert panel .This would stop, whichever government ,TINKERING around with the pension . Politicians have an independent body to assess their Worth ,which comes out of the public purse ,So why shouldn't Pensioners be afforded the same Considerations. This not only will be a FAIR outcome ,it would stop these "backroom deals" with the other side and independents satisfaction to allow passages through parliaments, each time an adjustment is made to the Retirement Income. It is nothing short of Blackmail when the Houses have to rely on oppositions to pass legislation to make these changes to Pensions . So once again ,it needs an Independent Body to assess Pensions. I would request that you on behalf of the members and the others , approach the applicable MP,to commence the necessary paperwork to allow this to happen. I also suggest that my comments are emailed to members and the relevant MP + Federal Treasurer and the Prime Minister ,to allow their comments on the proposed suggestion to have the Independent Body. Yours Sincerely Brian French 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to brian:

I like 'that'... Thanks, Brian 

Debra
Debra from QLD commented:

Why has this link been removed? http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/opinion-politicians-cant-be-trusted-to-make-decisions-about-superannuation/story-fnihsr9v-1227303865 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Debra:

Still available Debra - try cutting some of the last few word/numbers from the reference 

Ian
Ian from NSW commented:

I agree with the need for an independent body (not appointed by politicians) to oversee super and pension policy. Politicians have a very secure pension scheme set up entirely in their own interests and not impacted by budget or political considerations. This is evidenced in the watering down of proposals by the Liberals which would ensure that financial planners are held to account for their actions. 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

Christopher, do the maths, $823,000 in LIQUID assets will return around $27000 per year for a pensioner couple. This is about half the take home pay for the average wage for a sinle person ( $60000 per year). For two people to SURVIVE on this amount then they will have to eat two minute noodles, go nude in the summer to keep cool in their houses, wear half a dozen jumpers and blankets in winter, no birthday presents for grand kids and so on. ( Could Smoking Joe afford cigars on this? ). Under these conditions ,you have to dip into your asset pool and then back on the pension again as you go below asset limit. So what is the point ? Most couples wont have $823,000 in liquid assets, they have assets in cars, caravans,jewellery,furniture etc. so it is even worse for them. A single pensioner is even more worse off. The RBA leader says we should take more risks with our savings, would he risk his life savings ? My wife and I worked 80 years between us to get some savings in the bank, should we risk it ? In any case, the RBA keeps dropping interest rates but people keep their mortgage payments as is, house prices keep going up and billions of dollars don't go into the economy as we get less interest on our savings so we cant spend as much as we would like. And my favourite gripe, pollies have no asset test for their outrageous pensions. 

Maree
Maree from QLD commented:

something has to be done. I have a few years yet to retirement, and I am wondering what will happen to our super next. We will have nothing! let the decisions be made with fairness and not an axe. Maree Queensland 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Maree:

That is an easy one, Maree : make a statement with your vote at the next elections, vote for what is lacking in ALL our politicians except the ones from one party, vote for 'INTEGRITY' vote for... 'THE GREENS'... [and please, ignore the 'rebellion' ensuing from my com, be "ahead of your time...] 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

The Greens just got into bed with the Libs to break an election promise to not change pensions....are you kidding me, no intrgrity there !! 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to leno:

http://greens.org.au/node/11447 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Senator Di Natale indicated that his party could back the pension changes, but on condition that a review of retirement incomes was reinstated. He said the Greens wanted to see pension changes made a little fairer and superannuation tax concessions addressed, too. More than 170,000 pensioners with low and modest levels of assets will have their pension increased by around $30 a fortnight from January 2017 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

And around 500000 " wealthy and rich" will have their pensions redeuced or taken away while all pollies will get their full pensions with NO ASSET TEST. Let them smoke cigars ! Why are you anonymouse ? 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to leno:

Hence the need for TAX CONCESSIONS reforms, as The Greens want it... 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to leno:

Did you vote for The Greens, or the coalition, yourself (you don't have to answer that one. leno...)? 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

I voted for labour in the lower house and greens in the upper house. I think my only option left is the SEX PARTY. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to leno:

lol... The Greens in the Lower House IS your next best bet, enough of the major parties, they have now clearly demonstrated their incompetence... 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

Myself and my friends and no doubt most of the 500000 worse off pensioners will never vote for the greens again. As usual us easy targets have been hit, we don't want or need tax concessions (pensioners), we have paid rip off taxes for 80 years (me and my wife). By the way, how is the outcry for rich people to pay for public education, no out cry when all these "rich and wealthy' pensioners have been hit ! Anyway TELL ME WHO YOU ARE<you cannot be anonymous on a public forum like this one. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to leno:

You should, vote for The Greens, do not put the blame on The Greens, it all started with the obnoxious Abbott (some voted a psychopath in, did you know?) and his smoking fat cats are the ones to blame. The Greens want 'MEGA' TAX CONCESSIONS REMOVED, so you've better vote for them... My name is Chris, Chris Grey. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

... and yes OUTCRY: More and more obnoxious the Libs and their accomplices, yes: Abbott has not ruled out a controversial idea to make wealthy families (we need to know what they mean by "wealthy", expect the worst...) pay for their children to attend public schools but says it would be the decision for the states and territories. He said: "I think it's good that some of the states and territories at least are thinking creatively about how they can responsibly fund their operations" The idea, contained in confidential (always, noticed the level of transparency with those scumbags...) discussion paper and revealed by Fairfax Media, would end the concept of universal access to school education in Australia. 

Lyn
Lyn from NSW commented:

Any support for reintroduction of $6000 tax-free threshold, currently $18,200, for those in paid employment to raise about $2.5billion tax (based on ABS May 2015 figure of 11,759,600 employed ) and leave existing pension rules as is and retirees tax-free threshold at $18,200 ? Press LIKE if you like. Retirees historical tax-free thresholds when working were 1983 - $4594, rising in stages to $5400 by 1999, $6000 from 2000 to 2012, so we paid more tax over that 30yrs due to lower thresholds. If lower threshold restored then the young would be funding their family allowance and childcare rebates instead of it being nicked from the pension budget. 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

THIS IS WHAT COULD CHANGE EVERYTHING, SIGN THIS PETITION (and if not enough, let's create our own on Change. org): http://www.australianunions.org.au/stop_pension_cuts?utm_campaign=greens_pensions&utm_medium=email&utm_source=actuonline 

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