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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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John
John from NSW commented:

If the Interest Rates were high, I would have seen SOME logic in it, but with Low returns, and increasing costs of living, you've got buckleys chance to FLOAT, unless you have a Million plus in Super !!!! 

Marilyn
Marilyn from NSW commented:

Marilyn from NSW. I support Jeff Kennett's idea completely. For retired people the "pension/investment" situation is the most important factor in their lives. I am 78 and my husband 84 and we are in the position now of having drawn down on a considerable amount of our investments and admittedly, had an increase in pension. We were diligent in looking after our finances during our working years (of course we both were subject to taxation during that time), and to think our remaining income is subject to decisions made by politicians to suit their particular agenda, is very very frightening. I totally support THE GEOFF KENNETT idea. 

Garry
Garry from VIC commented:

how come pollies only worry about regaining money they have lost due to incompetent decisions and putting hardship on to everyone else because of there stuff ups...and give themselves obscene pay rises and pats one the back...reminds me of FIG JAM...Fuck I'm Good Just Ask Me 

Lyn
Lyn from NSW commented:

Hold on chaps, no need for such personal remarks, people will be scared to leave an opinion 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Lyn:

Some like Warren are a real nuisance in here, sorry my dear. He uses his keyboard like a mad man would use a gun. 

Alan
Alan from NSW commented:

Therein lies the problem with our politicians (both sides) Warren, their definition of being well off is totally different to those that live in the real world. I agree that we need to support those that are less fortunate, but there are so many other areas, rather than welfare as a whole, where money can be saved, to finance other projects. Everyone wants a fair go in this life and I think it's morally wrong for the various governments to encourage people to save for their retirement and then keep changing the rules. Personally (and I'm nowhere near it, believe me) I think the 1.15 m in assets was a joke anyway and should have been indexed to allow for the increase in property values, returns on investments etc., but to reduce it to the level they have is an insult to every tax payer's intelligence. Most people who have contributed a reasonable proportion of their wage to super over the past 30 or more years, would be approaching 2/3rds of the new asset ceiling before they even start adding any other assets. In my case, I don't even want a full pension, $1 would do me and I'll look after the rest. That $1 would entitle me to a concession card and the various rebates that go with it, which I'm advised by centrelink only amounts to about $1500 per year. If that's the case, then it would cost the government $1526 per year to subsidize me, a sum I doubt would even make a dent in the Government's budget. But no, I'm well off, wealthy whatever....yeah right! 

Christopher
Christopher from NSW commented:

Dear Warren, Did you ever go to school, have you ever been educated at all? Do you read the new?. I think you are 'unedumacated' and maybe a Gov't Assisted resident at taxpayper expense. 

Beryl
Beryl from QLD commented:

Would like to have the new pension information in easy language 

Christopher
Christopher from NSW commented:

Dear Helen, I agree with you. All Pollies get kick backs. But Joseph Shockie has turned this into an absolute art form. If I am not wrong he has claimed back over $180,000 in 'Home Away From Home Allowances' over 10 years at tax payers expense. He needs looking at as a scam artist as do most other. Legal under the law but an absolute disgrace! You can buy another house in Canberra for that no saving, no budge scape for that. Unforgivable! I suggest you get educated. I think you vote Liberal? Right now we have the highest level of immigration in the Western Developed World, the face of Australia changes against Australian citizen wishes. More ethnic enclaves, ghettos. More high rise but little that is or will effective in infrastucture development ans capabilities to accommodate all. Immigration Dept wants to bring in another 5 Million temporary workers by end of 2015. 12,000 jobs were advertised in Jan to March and over 40.000 people applied. Australians cannot find a job due to lower cost immigrants. Australian nurses cannot find a job because of lower cost Indian trainees here. As I said. You should do more research before putting your opinions on line without research = though you are entitled to do so. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Christopher:

Another dipstick in the Alian/NSW'A' mould, but I suspect the same whaco with a multiple split personality disorder. It's hard to keep up with you but the incoherent nature of your remarks is an easy decipher. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Christopher:

So Keating is finally correct ! Abbott found a way to turn this beautiful lucky country into a 'banana republic". I am so disappointed with the Liberals and their party turned now so fascist & irresponsible . 

Peter
Peter from NSW commented:

I absolutely agree with the Jeff Kennett suggestion. Enough of using the public purse to cover poor and costly political decisions! Let's have an independant body determine long-term retirement policy for all Australians, including politicians and public servants and get some long-term security around retirement incomes. 

Leo
Leo from NSW commented:

Is it not time that the welfare of the elderly who paid taxes all their work life & made provision for their retirement is taken out of the political agenda. In most of the civilised world every taxpayer is given their pension without means testing as used to be the case here until it was "temporarily" suspended at the start of WW11 by the then government to help finance the war effort, with the promise that it would be reinstated after the war was over. Like so many government promises this one was also dishonoured. Is it not time that politicians were put on an equal footing with the average taxpayer & their perks,pensions & allowances are cancelled. After all these were introduced to attract exceptional skills & talent & today we are blessed with a group of politicians who have taken the job for its benefits & offer nothing in return as far as skill or talent to govern is concerned they think that all they need to do is insult their opposition & us as well. The whole area of taxes on superannuation & qualifications for pensions & benefits should be removed from the political agenda as our politicians claimed to have done with their own salaries, conditions & benefits when they claim to put it under the control of an independent non-government authority. Certain elements such as the asylum seekers & other illegal immigrants are also unfairly given privileged treatment over we retired taxpayers. The time has come for us the Australian public to be given just & fair treatment with a reasonable return on their lifetime investment of work & skills. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Leo:

"Certain elements such as the asylum seekers & other illegal immigrants are also unfairly given privileged treatment over we retired taxpayers. " = A MYTH ! 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

.......so you're a Leo as well. You responded to your own comment within 2 minutes. Quite incredible for you to digest your own input and then provide a 2 liner. Why not wait at least 1 hour to at least give some credibility NSW'A'? 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

I beg yours? What if you found a fishing rod somwhere in your garage and gave us all a break? 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

If I did I'll probably snag another bottom feeder! 

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