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Retire Overseas? Don’t be fooled by the falling dollar it can still make sense

Retire Overseas? Don’t be fooled by the falling dollar it can still make sense

With the rising cost of living in Australia more retirees are eyeing up the much lower costs and what can be comparable health care standards of South East Asia.

The push is also fuelled by concerns about the inadequacy of average superannuation balances to provide for a comfortable retirement and tighter eligibility conditions around pensions.

While the value of the Aussie dollar has plummeted against the US $ the good news for such ‘Silver Surfers’ is that it has more than held its own against the currencies of popular destinations such as Malaysia and Indonesia.

The options on our geographical doorstep are certainly tempting. In Vietnam and Cambodia Aussie retirees can live like kings or queens cheaply on tourist visas.

There are greying communities in Thailand’s Phuket island and also Bali. Some live in gated communities away from the crowds and others in units in the very thick of it.

In Malaysia there’s even special ten-year ‘My Second Home’ renewable visas. You must be over 50, put $32,000 into a long term bond and buy a property above $325,000 .

Many dreaming of this kind of retirement, given the increasing costs of living in Australia, may have been put off  making plans given the plunging value of A$.

But Stephen Wyatt, who with his wife Colleen Ryan, wrote the key book on the subject Sell Up, Pack Up and Take Off says our dollar has more than held its own against some Asian currencies.

It’s up against the Malaysian ringgit and the Indonesia rupiah meaning the already substantially lower costs in those nations are cheaper still.

“There’s a natural hedge which benefits Australian retirees,” Stephen says. “ Malaysia and Indonesia like Australia are resource rich economies. When prices go down for resources so do both our and their currencies which means the relative low costs there remain.”

Even in Thailand where the baht is a bit higher he quotes rents in regional Chang Mai as being 75% less than Australia and throughout the SE Asian region meals, beers and groceries being similarly low.

Stephen, whose website www.planet-boomer.com has more information,  says despite the consumer price index in Australia indicating prices are steady more older people are feeling the pinch.

There are however two key issues to consider before you head off to the airport and bid the family a fond farewell. They are medical standards and pension restrictions.

In Malaysia, where English is most widely spoken, there are top class and affordable hospitals and medical centres in particular in the big cities.

But you need to choose carefully as the conditions in such facilities are not universally high.

If you are eligible for the pension check out how long you can remain overseas and continue to get paid. You also need to do your homework around super and tax issues.

The majority of Australian retirees who leave the country still go to nations like Italy and Greece. And only 700 of the 28,000 people taking up the Malaysian retirement visa are Australia.

But the tide seems to be turning with more older Australians both considering and taking up the option of living at least part of their retirement where there money goes much further.

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Edward Stewart
Edward Stewart from QLD commented:

Too far from the Grandchildren. 

Anthony
Anthony from QLD commented:

I have spent a lot of years working and playing all over Asia , the reality of the overcrowding, the real cost of living for a westener and the total lack or services most people here take for granted and very soon the romantic notion of living in any Asian country soon wears off, I still like to Visit several Asian countries a month at a time and I have some very good friends there but there is no place in the world as good as Australia, why do you think a lot of Asians in general want to move to Australia 

Jim
Jim from NSW replied to Anthony:

I hazard a guess many would disagree with you. I've been to SE Asia 14 or 15 times and it's never worn off for me ad I've stayed for long periods. A lot of Asians want to move to Australia for economic reasons. Thai wage for example is around 300thb/day or $12. If you're a self-retiree with a $1000/wk income stream in Thailand, you will have an awesome retiree lifestyle. You can just about do anything you want and you won't have to put up with the Sydney winter because it's hot all year round there, subject to a bit of a rainy season about this time of year. So throw out your long pants. It's shorts and t-shirt all year round. You're only just getting by with $1000/wk in Sydney. Sydney is good for sitting in traffic, working and making money, so you CAN have a good lifestyle somewhere else. Sydney scores low on the lifestyle front I'm afraid. 

Jim
Jim from NSW commented:

I will be a self-funded retiree, retiring in 3 years to live in Thailand with my family. I will be living off rental income from my investments. One very important thing self-funded retirees need to consider is ATO's foreign residents tax, introduced in 2012, which will sting everyone especially income from rents, or dividends from shares. The foreign residents tax applies if you live in Oz for less than 6 months a year. As a foreign resident, tax is a flat 32cents to the Oz$ from 0 to $80k, which is almost $10k worse off than an Australian resident's (PayG) tax, and is higher again above that. Furthermore, as a foreign resident you lose your Medicare benefits!! Also, as a foreign resident you are subject to FULL CGT (that's correct, no 50% CGT discount) if you sell your investment properties and even your family home is subject to FULL CGT!!! In other words, the ATO penalises you financially for living overseas!!! There is some upside. i.e. Bank deposit interest is only subject to 10% flat rate and there is no CGT on capital gains from shares. In summary, you really need to know your tax situation as a foreign resident. 

Hamish
Hamish from QLD commented:

Left UK 45 years ago for a better life for our family. That has been achieved and why would I want to take my wife away from her children and grand-kids to have a "cheaper" lifestyle in an Asian country. We are not wealthy but still manage a good holiday at year end, mostly overseas. Most Asian countries are politically unsettled and their culture is quite foreign to us. We have enough problems here in Australia with the "multiculturalism" foisted on us by previous governments. Living as a "guest", paying or otherwise, would be anathema to me. Australia is still the best country in the world and I have seen a great deal of it over many years. 

Edward Stewart
Edward Stewart from QLD replied to Hamish:

Same here. Left Scotland 1970 part of the 'ten pound Pom scheme. One of our better moves. Why would you want to leave Queensland (apart from the existing State Government)? 

Hamish
Hamish from QLD replied to Edward Stewart:

"existing State Government"......what State Government? Hehehehe!! 

Deborah
Deborah from NSW commented:

Hadn't ever thought about it, but worth thinking about. Especially when the retiree gets fewer benefits and had no benefits given to us when we were working. Remember home loans of 17%, no child endowment, let alone paid parental leave and part time work, no first home buyers grant, to name a few..... 

Someone
Someone from QLD commented:

My wife is Thai and I am born and bred in Australia. We are thinking very hard and serious about moving to Thailand next year when i retire The homes and condos are very much cheaper and also a very good lifestyle. I would recommend anyone who is thinking of moving overseas to have a good look at what Thailand has to offer Regards John and Wanabha Robson 

Suzanne
Suzanne from NSW commented:

Does this information only apply to self funded retirees? People on centerlink benefits are now only allowed 6 weeks out of Australia before they lose benefits - I am a homeowner , but asset rich and dollar poor with no super,and would love to sell up and retire in Spain - but a. my pension and benefits would stop and b. we do not have reciprocal health benefits with most countries.so this is prohibitive. Please correct me if i am wrong. 

Dennis
Dennis from VIC replied to Suzanne:

Ring Centerlinks international office and you will find that if you have lived in Australia for 30 years you will not lose the pension if you move overseas. Dont ask at a local Centerlink as they will tell you only about 6 weeks. You need to be on a Aged Pension tho not just on a benefit. 

Suzanne
Suzanne from NSW replied to Dennis:

Thank you Denis - that's great advice......I doubt that many people are aware of that. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Suzanne:

Spain and Portugal have high unemployment, totally broke but have a very cheap (affordable) standard of living. 

James
James from QLD commented:

Im thinking of spending 4/5 months per year in Asia when its winter here. The cold is getting in my bones and making life uncomfortable Australian passport holders can get 3 months tourist visa in malaysia and for a month free thailand (Approx $50 can get 2 month thailand I think) and also 1 month in Phillipines and other asian countries. Accomadiation and meals cheaper than Australia Iv found there and you are only approximately 8 hours away from OZ and if your lucky you can get return for approx $500 return el cheapo.( usually $800 or there abouts) 

Colin
Colin from VIC commented:

I'm happy living in Australia with my family close by. This idea is almost as silly as your last one about getting the taxpayer to pay people looking after their grand kids. I'm increasingly thinking that you and I are on different planets. I like people, you like money. 

France
France from VIC replied to Colin:

you like people, others like money. does that make you better person. obviously you are well off.other retirees are struggling, so if chasing coupons or looking for discount for cheap living works, so be it. some want to retire overseas, if it works for them great. Life is an adventure, go try it, But keep a door open so you can always come back. live life, when was the last time you did something for the first time. It is also a great idea for grandparents to get some financial reward for looking after their grand kids, in doing so they are contributing to the community. not silly idea at all. why should only politicians benefit from taxpayers money, just ask all ex ministers. 

Colin
Colin from VIC commented:

I'm happy living in Australia with my family close by. This idea is almost as silly as your last one about getting the taxpayer to pay people looking after their grand kids. I'm increasingly thinking that you and I are on different planets. I like people, you like money. 

Suzanne
Suzanne from NSW replied to Colin:

Im pleased for you Colin. Not all of us are fortunate enough to have family close by or not. 

John
John from NSW replied to Colin:

Get real Colin. If the joke about pocket money for babysitting went over your head, sorry about that. It is a fact that my generation is increasingly called upon to babysit and we wouldn't do it if we didn't love it. I don't need the money from either taxpayers or my children to do this. 

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