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Hospital Horror Story

I was surprised there wasn’t more in the media this week when Treasury's annual Tax Expenditures Statement, required as part of the charter of budget honesty, was released.

Peter Martin writing for the Sydney Morning Herald reports that the 25 tax breaks that were identified, each cost more than $1 billion and together cost $150 billion.

The private health insurance rebate costs the government $6.5 billion and is classified as a cash expense.

How it is classified however, does nothing to address the issue of under-funding in our public hospitals and the rate at which Australians are dropping private health insurance.

Which brings me to Janette and Pete’s story.**

Pete and Janette live in Sydney and 2 months ago, Pete suffered a major medical emergency. He was rushed to one of Sydney’s public hospitals by ambulance, admitted and remained in ICU for 10 days. At one point his heart stopped beating, but was successfully resuscitated and under went life threatening emergency surgery.

Once Pete was well enough he was moved from ICU  to a general ward and soon after discharged – since then, thankfully he has  fully recovered from the ordeal.

Pete and Janette have basic private health cover, after the dust had settled Janette began the process of sorting out the owing medical expenses that ran into the tens of thousands of dollars.

When Pete was originally admitted to hospital, he requested to go in as a public patient, knowing the out-of-pocket expenses would be substantial given the seriousness of his illness.

When Pete was discharged, Janette received a call from the hospital who were in her words “practically begging” us to claim through their private health fund, stating that since they had private insurance they should use this to cover all the medical costs.

Janette declined as she was unsure of the overall financial ramifications and felt more confindent processing the account through Medicare . A week or so later she received a second call from the hospital  asking the same question but this time ensuring they would have no  out-of-pockets expenses and the hospital would cover the excess payment in full. With the pressure from the hospitals accounts department and feeling bad as they had saved her husband's life, she agreed and they processed the account through their private health fund which fully paid for everything and the public hospital paid the excess as agreed. It worked out okay but was a learning curve for future hospital dealings.

If only their trauma insurance provider had been so generous... Pete contacted his insurance broker to make a claim on his Trauma policy only to find that they wouldn’t pay up because his heart had only stopped beating for 3 seconds and it must stop beating for 8 seconds to qualify.

Not only that but the insurance company specifies tests must be taken at the time the heart stops to determine the level of a particular enzyme that shows up during cardiac arrest. But the doctors were too busy saving Pete to take the blood test!

Have you had an experience like this? If so, we'd love to hear about it in the forum below.

** Names have been changed because the subjects requested anonymity
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Joanne
Joanne from VIC commented:

Any person that is in Private Health Fund should not be able to go into a Public hospital, unless it is life threating, then they get moved to Private. The private people are tiring up beds in the Public System, only because they don't want to pay the extra cost. They want their cake & eat it to. 

Tammy
Tammy from WA commented:

The cost of private health insurance goes up every year. This is a direct result of the rising cost of covering claims. This story is an exact example of cost shifting by the government. They don't want to pay your medical bills, they want the health insurance companies to. And then what happens? The price of your premiums go up. You are already paying for your public health services through your taxes, so do not be afraid to choose public if you have already received care through the public sector. Don't let them make you feel bad about using the health care you are entitled to. Private is a great way to go when you want to avoid waiting and choose your doctor in non emergency situations. 

David
David from NSW commented:

Dear Sirs, this request by PH to use Private Insurance and PH meet the excess has been happening for many years. I agree the Australian Health System is a shambles but is this any different from many other huge govt regulated organisations subject to Ministerial whims and conflicting pressures from many vested interests. What is of greater concern to me is that the standard of Care at least in our local PH has deteriorated to the extent that many of our friends are fearful of going in for treatment. Arrogant doctors, overworked, inexperienced, neglectful even deliberately nasty nursing staff are common according to anecdotal evidence. We need a strong organisation for the Welfare of Patients in Hospital and each patient to submit an exit review of their treatment to be examined by an independent body. Plus nursing training to include intensive instruction on how to be kind to patients - that's after the selection process has weeded out those with unsuitable temperaments. I could go on and on but who listens ??? 

karen
karen from NSW commented:

Unfortunately I have had to retire on medical grounds (cancer) I have top mediinsurance but can no longer afford it, I also have a neuromodulater in my spine for chronic & crippling pain, the machine needs to be remobed/replaced in 2 years, I'm terrified as I can no longer pay privately & doubt the public system will view this as necessary, the entire system (s) are badly flawed, the public system has been in crisis for years 

Paul
Paul from NSW commented:

Private health insurance is a joke. The public system is no better. I needed spinal surgery as I was in extreme pain for 2 months before I had the operation, almost to the point where I couldnt walk at all. Private hospital was the only option because I could not even get an estimate of the wait time to use the public system and it had to be done ASAP and I also now know "elective surgery" is everything not required to save you from immediate death! Out of pocket cost:$2000 and I was "fully" covered by a "health fund". The entire health care system in this country needs a complete rebuild and NO PRIVATISATION! 

Tammy
Tammy from WA replied to Paul:

The health fund did fully cover you, up to the schedule fee set by the government. What you paid on top of that was the extra fees your doctor chose to charge you. Some health funds offer a list of no gap doctors where they have agreed not to charge you extra over the agreed fee, had you asked your health fund for one of those doctors you wouldn't have had out of pocket expense. Your anger here should be at the doctors, not health funds, believe me - the doctors are the ones who have the holiday homes by the sea and regular overseas vacations - definitely not the health fund workers! 

Paul
Paul from NSW replied to Tammy:

Had I known that at the time it still wouldn't have helped, I was in too much pain to try to get appointments with other surgeons, it would have prolonged the agony. The private hospital also charged me $500 over the scheduled fee, just because they could and obviously feel the need to look after their share holders. Health insurence and superannuation in this country are complete dogs breakfasts and the biggest embarrasments for the government! 

Richard
Richard from NSW commented:

I had operation for prostate cancer using robotics ,I was in top cover and was around $18000 out of pocket as the health funds still do not recognise robotics which has been around for at least 10 years and results much more successful 

Someone
Someone from QLD commented:

Would love to switch from Medibank Private as they are very expensive, but as my husband has an existing illness & we rejoined private cover only a couple of yrs back we are paying a loading fee as well.His illness has not needed a hospital stay but is on the wait & see list, so frustrating we can't change Health Insurance.Personally I would be happy to drop the cover & go public. 

Joanne
Joanne from VIC commented:

Upon reading a lot of these comments. Looks like a lot of P.H.I. people use Public Hospitals. Is this why there's no beds available for us public people. Maybe if you all drop out of P.H.I, then the private hospital's can become public. Plenty beds. I drop out of P.H.I when I was 16, I am now 63, it has always been the same (You pay) In that time I have been in hospital 7 times, and always got treated well. In the smaller hospitals I have given a donation (My choice) After all I have saved a lot of money over the years from not paying P.H.I. Maybe if every man, women & child paid $100 when leaving the hospital, direct to that hospital, then they may do o.k. Any thoughts!!!!! 

Someone
Someone from WA commented:

It seems like we are all paying too much for our private health cover and getting nothing in return it makes one wonder why we bother to take out private cover at all the powers that be need to look at this sooner than later before we all exit from private health funds. 

Karen
Karen from NSW commented:

I have also had the 'strong arm' put on me to have treatment under private health insurance. 5 years ago I had emergency life saving surgery which I agreed to do under my private insurance although I was in a public hospital. Anyway, all was well and I recovered. BUT the fact I had private health cover was now on my records. A year ago I suffered a leg injury and was taken to the emergency dept. At the time I was under extreme pressure by the admin staff at the hospital to have the visit dealt with under private insurance. And this was even before I had been seen by a doctor. I ended up telling them I no longer had private insurance to make them stop. 

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