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Hospital Horror Story

I was surprised there wasn’t more in the media this week when Treasury's annual Tax Expenditures Statement, required as part of the charter of budget honesty, was released.

Peter Martin writing for the Sydney Morning Herald reports that the 25 tax breaks that were identified, each cost more than $1 billion and together cost $150 billion.

The private health insurance rebate costs the government $6.5 billion and is classified as a cash expense.

How it is classified however, does nothing to address the issue of under-funding in our public hospitals and the rate at which Australians are dropping private health insurance.

Which brings me to Janette and Pete’s story.**

Pete and Janette live in Sydney and 2 months ago, Pete suffered a major medical emergency. He was rushed to one of Sydney’s public hospitals by ambulance, admitted and remained in ICU for 10 days. At one point his heart stopped beating, but was successfully resuscitated and under went life threatening emergency surgery.

Once Pete was well enough he was moved from ICU  to a general ward and soon after discharged – since then, thankfully he has  fully recovered from the ordeal.

Pete and Janette have basic private health cover, after the dust had settled Janette began the process of sorting out the owing medical expenses that ran into the tens of thousands of dollars.

When Pete was originally admitted to hospital, he requested to go in as a public patient, knowing the out-of-pocket expenses would be substantial given the seriousness of his illness.

When Pete was discharged, Janette received a call from the hospital who were in her words “practically begging” us to claim through their private health fund, stating that since they had private insurance they should use this to cover all the medical costs.

Janette declined as she was unsure of the overall financial ramifications and felt more confindent processing the account through Medicare . A week or so later she received a second call from the hospital  asking the same question but this time ensuring they would have no  out-of-pockets expenses and the hospital would cover the excess payment in full. With the pressure from the hospitals accounts department and feeling bad as they had saved her husband's life, she agreed and they processed the account through their private health fund which fully paid for everything and the public hospital paid the excess as agreed. It worked out okay but was a learning curve for future hospital dealings.

If only their trauma insurance provider had been so generous... Pete contacted his insurance broker to make a claim on his Trauma policy only to find that they wouldn’t pay up because his heart had only stopped beating for 3 seconds and it must stop beating for 8 seconds to qualify.

Not only that but the insurance company specifies tests must be taken at the time the heart stops to determine the level of a particular enzyme that shows up during cardiac arrest. But the doctors were too busy saving Pete to take the blood test!

Have you had an experience like this? If so, we'd love to hear about it in the forum below.

** Names have been changed because the subjects requested anonymity
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Robyn
Robyn from QLD commented:

I worked at a Public Hospital in Queensland and as far as I know, there are no out of pocket expenses when using your private health cover in the public hospital - doing this provides extra funding to the public hospital system and that is why they encourage patients to use their private health insurance. 

Lynne
Lynne from QLD commented:

This sounds untrue to me as I know that a blood test called Troponin is always done to test for the level of damage to the heart... 

Laraine
Laraine from NSW replied to Lynne:

Guess it depended on how many people working on him at the time, & the order of care/procedures needed asap 

elizabeth
elizabeth from NSW replied to Lynne:

And Troponin is usually repeated at least four hours later than the first test and maybe every 4 hours till the test result is lower. 

Malcolm
Malcolm from SA commented:

We should stop paying insurance and let the crooks go broke 

Trevor
Trevor from WA commented:

My wife and I live in the Perth suburbs but some years ago were holidaying at Margaret River for a week when she fell down a flight of stairs and broke her left shoulder during the night. I drover her to Margaret Riv Hospital but was told the Xray machine was broken so was given some pain relief and told to go to Busselton Hosp in the morning. We did that and was told it was smaxhed, we can't do anything about that here and to go to Bunbury Hosp. We did that, booked her in but I received a phone call the next day to come and pick her up. I was going to visit her anyway but on arrival was told the surgeon would not operate because he would not see her again for any follow up because we lived in Perth, so I should take her home and book her in somewhere. I am getting pretty upset by now and said she's not going anywhere, when out came about 5 mobile phones from doctors and nurses pockets and they had her booked into Hollywood Hosp back in Perth. So, it took from Monday night/ Tuesday morning to Friday before she was operated on a smashed shoulder. Then it was done in a hurry because the surgeon wanted to go on holidays. The wife still likes to have Private cover, I have no faith in it what so ever. I think she was treated terribly. 

Marjorie
Marjorie from QLD commented:

I must admit I have been wondering what I should do if I was to be admitted to a public hospital and asked if I had private health insurance. As I do have private insurance do I have to use it? Is it advantageous to do so? 

simon
simon from NSW replied to Marjorie:

in general terms the advantage is to the hospital as they use it to boost their funding. Main disadvantage to you is the risk of out of pocket expenses and that the more people who use private Health insurance for Public Hospital then the higher the premiums will rise. In some cases Public Hospitals may offer some inducements but it is unlikely to make much difference to your overall treatment. If your Health Fund is not great at covering out of pocket expenses (Medibank for example) then you may get an expensive lesson. There is no obligation for you to use your Health fund. There is one potential benefit, as per a comment below. If they offer to waive your excess then you will probably not have to pay another excess in your Health Fund year. 

elizabeth
elizabeth from NSW replied to Marjorie:

Marjorie, if you use your private ins the hospital gets funds and really why pay for private ins then not use it. Public hospitals usually have NO out of pocket expenses and if you elect to use it you should check that you are getting a consultant physician or surgeon not a registrar for your treatment, you are paying for them so don't settle for less, I have worked in a NSW hops for many many years and tell this to all my patients. 

Firderes
Firderes from NSW commented:

Isn't funny who has time read all the policy half of the time don't know what they mean any incurrence they should make simple .i don't know about any one else but I don't have any spare. Time to sitting and read 

simon
simon from NSW commented:

This is a major inflationary driver on PHI premiums. In theory Public Hospitals should be funded by the taxpayer but they are increasingly going aggressively after the PHI $ to supplement their budget, resulting in higher premiums for health insurance. If your PHI fund results in significant out of pockets for items such as pharmaceuticals or pathology then switch funds. According to privatehealth.gov.au, HCF are very good in this regard and well above the industry average nationwide for hospital and medical expenses covered with no gap. 

Shelley
Shelley from NSW commented:

My husband was admitted with a heart complaint. We were also asked to go under our health insurance and that there would be no extra costs..... as the current hospital couldn't do anything for my husband, he was transferred to a larger hospital and guess what? He had to pay $500 admission fee, then go back to the same hospital 2 months later for follow up surgery and another $500 out of pocket the 2nd time. So wrong when you pay so much for private health insurance, then to have to pay extra! What is going on?..... 

lis
lis from QLD replied to Shelley:

Were the admittances each side of the joining date? I have been with 3 health funds and all only charge one admission fee per year which commences on the date you joined so everyone's is different whilst the extras seem to be a calendar year beginning in January. 

Shelley
Shelley from NSW replied to lis:

Not really sure now about that? Either way, our joining date was March. His 1st admittance was October and 2nd admittance was November? So both in the calendar year, or the 12 month period of joining, it didn't matter? You had to be out of pocked $1000, then after that, you no longer had to pay an admittance fee. As it was, he hasn't been back in hospital again and I have since changed private health fund. 

kimbley
kimbley from WA commented:

And insurance Company's wonder Why we do not trust them. Check your policy and make sure you understand them They are written in such a manner that they will even confuse a Philladephia Lawyer Also check your Household insurance policy for flood/water damage The wording/definition can make all the difference as many a Person has found out when their Homes were inundated with water 

Someone
Someone from QLD commented:

My husband has twice been admitted to a Public Hospital for treatment. And yes we have Top Private Health Insurance. We had no hesitation in signing over our benefits to the local public hospital (as they use this money to provide ongoing up to date equipment and services to all). Our health fund (HCF) covered the excess and when finally admitted to St. Andrews in Brisbane for major heart surgery we had no excess - and in fact no charges at all - to worry about. 

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