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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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Bob
Bob from NSW commented:

I am a self funded retiree on a part pension. I am MOST disappointed with the Liberal government changing the rules of the asset test for an aged pension. These were the rules that many of us complied with to provide for our old age, now that we are old the government changes the rules. This is not fair or reasonable. It is not becoming for the Liberal party to pick on the baby boomers that have worked and paid tax for 50 years to be treated like this. SHAME ON ABBOTT. and the GREENS for supporting his proposal. There are many other ways to balance the nations budget. How about we start with cutting parliamentary perks ( like Hockys Canberra allowances) 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Bob:

You will be the new 'poor', having worked hard and having saved for decades! Abbott for you... 

Bob
Bob from NSW replied to Alain:

Hi Alain, Thanks for you reply. The baby boomers did work hard and made a significant contribution to building the social and financial wealth in Australia since WW2. Now they face a government that does NOT recognise their contribution and will reduce or take away their seniors pension to balance the budget. Total betrayal by ABBOTT and his cabinet. They will lose a lot of political support and may even get kicked out at the next election, but they really don't care because they will get a generous pension!! 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Bob:

You 2 idiots should get married. 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Warren:

Not just yet, we wait for The Green light... 

Lyn
Lyn from NSW replied to Alain:

Are you for real? I just saw ur post of 4.45pm. to Bob. How could you be so caustic to someone who has worked hard for years? You have a problem I think, especially with someone who has been successful in life. Lyn 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Lyn:

Abbott deceived us all, do not blame me, face the reality, the truth... You must be one of his groopies, no, Lyn/ 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Bob:

'Self funded' and 'part pension' is an oxymoron. Both you and Alian are off the planet. 

Lyn
Lyn from NSW replied to Bob:

to Bob from NSW. Replying as I thought you would like to know that I addressed 'Alain from NSW' about the rudeness of his reply to you. I think he must have an underlying problem that he does not wish to share. Please go to my posts for some understanding of the matters that all we retirees feel at this possible sudden change to our circumstances of the old rules. From Lyn of NSW. 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Lyn:

Did not Abbott say: "No change to the pension"? I read, somewhere? Are you one of 'em who put this clown at the helm of Australia? 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Alain:

I found it (from Anonymous in that great new latest forum by Christopher): "“ No cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” ABBOTT, FRIDAY 6 September 2013 " 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Alain:

...and I will not settle for ANYTHING ELSE BUT "THE TRUTH", myself... I look forward to receiving your comment/s, Lyn on how Abbott has deceived us all, including your friend Bob... What should we do at the realization of the enormity of his 'con job', Abbott? 

ALEX
ALEX from QLD commented:

Does that mean that politicians well come under the same rulings as working Australians. Will their,(more than) extravagant, highly generous superannuation be exempt. Most of them could not two shits for retired and once hard working Australians. 

Cheryl
Cheryl from ACT commented:

Personally I don't trust any of them. Australia in debt because of the wrong decisions constantly being made by all politicians and so called experts. They plan to take our super and make it appear they are being fair, spreading the responsibility while looking after the poor but I don't see their benefits being touched by this responsibility sharing. 

Greg
Greg from NSW commented:

Is any one politician or political party organization to be trusted when it comes to not fiddling with retirement income policies? The reality is that politicians control the nature of all legislation including legislation for controlling retiree incomes. For reasons of pure self-interest, politicians are thinking pragmatically about the many elderly retirees who will probably be dead sooner than later so let's screw them by reducing their retirement incomes to enable funding of other projects offering us politicians better re-election rewards. These retirees can't come back from death to threaten us with loss of their votes can they? 

Lyn
Lyn from NSW replied to Greg:

Really Greg, Just who are you when you use the term 'us politicians' in ur post? Are you a politician hoping to wriggle the future vote for you? I doubt you could be that stupid but maybe I am wrong and you are a politician hoping to change the tide. Let me assure you that we 'oldies' CAN come back from the dead because most of our children vote the same way that WE did in life. Retirees have time (no money tho) to explore wonders of I/net to warn them of the subterfuge you employ. Lyn from NSW. 

Colin
Colin from QLD commented:

Ok !......let's just get back to basics and without all the typical stuffing and bs that generally accompanies this type of topic. Put plain & simply, our own Superannuation Policies belong to each and everyone of of us and should not to be tampered with. Superannuation policies are created for the policy holders, and the wealth created by those policy investments is only for the policy holders to distribute wherever they see fit for themselves and not for slimy grubby polititians to re-appropriate or use that wealth for their own disposal in any shape or form thanks very much, Super Policy holders are and will be quite capable of using that when the time comes. So hands off, do not pilfer our savings ! Also, Pensions should not be touched, but the same amount allocated for any eligible person to recieve a pension. If you have managed to save over the years and have more than others then so be it. All Eligible people should all be entitled to the same pension amount across the board. If politicians want to make decisions, then make decisions to suit the well being of the people of the country we live in, "NOT DECISIONS THAT HINDER OUR PERSONAL WELLBEING" 

Keith
Keith from QLD replied to Colin:

I totally agree. Politicians should find an honest way to earn money to run our country. Not constantly selling assets then just taking more and more from the people that employ them ie the citizens of Australia. None of them seem to know anything real and just make up rubbish to be in power. 

David
David from SA commented:

David from SA. I agree 

Graham
Graham from NSW commented:

Planning for retirement is not some knee-jerk decision making process. To be successful, it has to be done in the context of stability and continuity, and definitely not as a by-product of budget deficits 

Marilyn
Marilyn from NSW commented:

I totally agree with the Jeff Kennett idea pollies should not be able to meddle with Superannuation. Retirees have done the hard yards during their working lives and should now be able to get on with their lives knowing that their funds are safe and not libel for ad hoc changes at the whim of some govt. Marilyn 

robert
robert from VIC commented:

I will never Liberal again, we have worked for these benifits and long term when our assets are eroded it will cost the country even more. I am bitterley disappointed in both parties they would not get a job in the real world, they have never managed and been accountable like the rest of us when we were employed they would have been sacked for lack of business knowledge. 

Alan
Alan from NSW commented:

I favor the Jeff Kennett idea. But I think that a % of super funds (eg. 25%), over a specified amount (eg. $ 1 million) held by retirees, should have to be invested in a Government Bond system , to be used for development of Australian infrastructure (eg Railways; Dams; Roads; Ports, etc.). This should be managed by a Statutory Independent Body. No Pollies please. Alan from Sydney. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Alan:

Already happens now, but it's by choice rather than compulsion. 

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