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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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Grahame
Grahame from NSW commented:

Political Decisions will always be at the whim of the political party in power.Workers and families need to be able to plan decades ahead for their retirement which is far longer than any "term of office", therefore an independent authority is required. The only problems with this include 1. money available from the budget and 2. another statutory authority. Retirees are damned either way. The comment about a party capable of understanding pensioner needs is required. 

Judith
Judith from NSW commented:

If the politicians want to play around with our pensions and superannuation. Then isn't only fair that we can have a say about their over generous pensions and lurks and perks? I haven't heard a word from any of them willing to or even thinking about tightening their belts! Australia used to be a place where everyone had a fair go. Sad to be governed by a bunch of greedy self indulgent pollies from ALL sides of the political spectrum! 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Judith:

The Greens are CORRECT: Trusts and Super tax concessions must be addressed as a matter of priority, THIS IS what is rorting the system, but the Libs WILL protect their rich mates, the fat cats, we have now got the proof... 

Bob
Bob from NSW replied to Judith:

I totally agree with Judiths comments. As a baby boomer who has worked all his life and saved for old age I had trust in our political leaders to do the fair and honourable thing to provide a pension and a sound superannuation scheme to provide for us. Shame on Morris and Abbott for changing the rules and betraying the generation that built this country. 

jeffrey
jeffrey from NSW commented:

My wife & I are currently a self funded retirees who are drawing down on our capital but we are currently just above the existing asset level. We are forced, unless we want to go on a pension, to expose our retirement funds to significantly increased risk in order to get some kind of positive return as current interest rates are insufficient. Rough calculations show that a retired person with assets of say $400000 receiving a full pension is better off income wise after investing their money @ 3% than a self funded retiree with say $823000 who needs a minimum return of 7% & take greater risk to achieve the same level of income. Does this seem fair. Potentially it will force us closer to the revised pension asset level & entitle us to a pension earlier. 

Paul
Paul from QLD commented:

Tax concessions for super contributions & pensions cost the government more than 10 BILLION dollars per annum. Super tax concessions, as a cost to the budget, will be more than the entire aged pension costs by 2016-17. The Australia Institute's recent report on Superannuation and Pensions found that: "The pension system directs assistance to the poor; the tax system to the rich. The tax system encourages savings; the pension means test discourages both work and savings. The total cost of the pension and the tax concessions, at some $76 billion, far exceeds the $55 billion it would cost to simply pay the pension to everyone over 65....Why not make the pension universal – free of means test – and abolish the tax concessions? This would leave enough – even on the Treasury’s conservative ‘revenue gain’ figures - to raise the base pension rate by 25% ensuring that most people gained more on the pension side than they would lose on the tax side. " 

leno
leno from VIC replied to Paul:

Paul, please take over from smoking Joe as soon as possible. 

leno
leno from VIC commented:

Scot Morisson says "the pension is for people who need it". Are politicians subject to asset testing for their outrageus pensions ? 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to leno:

ALL "SCUMBAGS", as Keating used to call his opposition... 

leno
leno from VIC replied to Alain:

Yes Alain, who can you trust now, these politicians are now career pollies not for the people, eg. Smoking Joe pays rent to his wife! If I pay rent to my wife then aren't I paying rent to myself ? My wife owns everything I own so what is the difference. 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to leno:

You would perhaps go to jail if you did what big fat cigar smoking Joe does with his wife (trust the ATO...) , anyway, only pollies can abuse the system the way Joe has done it and we don't even complain, or very few of us do... We are as pathetic as Joe..... 

Roland
Roland from QLD commented:

We have been encouraged to save for our retirement with the lifting of the ceiling for several years along with salary sacrificing etc. How can it been seen to be fair or acceptable for later Governments to change the rules retrospectively. How can it be fair to long term, hard working people, who have at times gone without to bolster their superannuation fund that new and unexpected taxes be introduced after the person has left the workforce. Let's remember that when someone retires from the workforce that this leaves a vacancy for another to fill. 

robert
robert from NSW commented:

i agree Colin but shorten will do to us what he did to the cleaners and lets not forget Julia 

Judith
Judith from NSW replied to robert:

You don't really think abbott and hockey are any better PLEASE 

Deane
Deane from SA commented:

The matters of the Govt. Aged Pension, Super & Tax must be dealt with "collectively". People who have or will retire in the next 10 years will, in many cases need to rearrange their strategies. And in many cases, it's like turning the Titanic around......when only 1 part of the equation is "attacked".....being the Assets Test & Taper rules. The Opposition's announced policy on Super changes at the very top of Account holders seems fairly reasonable. Indeed, a poll on this very policy received support from those who would be affected. The Greens have just lurched from "Looney Left" to "Barking Mad".......The new Leader of the Greens could find himself & Party go the way of the GST Democrats....into oblivion. Meanwhile, while all this "posturing" is going on, the poor mug middle class punter is left shaking his head....I've paid tax, I've paid Super, raised a family.....tried to do the anticipated things in "fair go Australia"......only now to be "snookered" by whackers who purport to be our Representatives (except the Greens in that unrepresentative "swill" in the Senate!!) 

Stephen
Stephen from QLD commented:

Concur with independent board concept proposed by Jeff Kennett. The only way any change will come about is through lobbying and the 'power' of our vote. Thanks to Fifty Up and Chris V for the work they are doing to get the message out. 

William
William from NSW commented:

If I'm a "fat cat" in the eyes of Scott Morrison how does he view Joe Hockey. I will not stoop to the level of saying. I worked for 42 years, paying taxes and contributing to superannuation the whole time. I retired on a mediocre salary and looked forward to receiving a part pension as a supplement to my superannuation. Amending the rules regarding defined benefits should not be left to politicians that have no idea what situation financially retirees are in. Bill from NSW 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to William:

Who voted for THE COALITION??? 

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