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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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Trevor
Trevor from NSW commented:

I agree that decisions on Super is probably best made by an independent body but would ask who would be responsible if the electorate disagreed with their decisions? I also wonder how, if the Greens or the ALP get their way, they could distinguish between those who have a large super balance because they could afford to contribute and those that have a large balance because they contributed over a long period of time, To illustrate I contributed to Super for 40 years before I retired and even with market fluctuation the fund has a good balance, does this make me super rich or just wise? 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Trevor:

Too much common-sense Trevor. Look who's running a similar 'overseeing body' for industrial relations - FWA - all Union hacks. 

Frank
Frank from NSW commented:

This is a difficult topic. As with so many other items, there is no one "best" solution. I know of people who have manipulated their assets merely to qualify for a pension. In my opinion I have a moral problem. Others still spend while they are young and make no effort to provide for their future. It is only those who try to do the right thing that seem to get penalised. Having said that, I think Mr Kennet's is sound and probably the best solution 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Frank:

Are you telling us that there would be someone left in this country with a "conscience"? 

Glenn
Glenn from NSW commented:

Think carefully when the Election comes around, remember these threats from the Government and Opposition, and vote with your head. 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Glenn:

VOTE FOR 'THE GREENS' if you want things to improve... 

Glenn
Glenn from NSW replied to Glenn:

Sorry Alain, Greens backed Abbott on this proposal, so goodbye Greens is the logical decision. 

John
John from QLD commented:

Have the Pensions gathered under the auspices of a neutral body non political body, but take it one step further, and have the same rules apply to Politicians entitlements, as well as them only having a pension plan based on the same guidelines as "the normal working person" NOT a "for life" Pension for just a few years self indulgence. Jay 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to John:

Elect BETTER governments, that is all you must do: look how pathetic that one is! 

robert
robert from NSW commented:

we will never have clarity and or security if LABOR have their way so but out 

Colin
Colin from QLD replied to robert:

Well Robert no matter who is in power you will be got at, ... 

Michael
Michael from NSW commented:

While it seems that my wife and I will not be affected by these current manoeuverings, I have to say that I have a deep mistrust of anything which the Greens sponsor, they are, if memory serves me, the party in favour of reintroducing, among other things, Death Duties. The thought that Lee Rhiannon, and her ilk could have anything to do with my on going welfare is of great concern. 

Paul
Paul from NSW commented:

I am prepared to take my share of grief for the benefit of Australia's current financial dilemna BUT how can reducing the asset amount so low benefit self funded retirees? If we are forced to draw more money out of super to live on then we end up on a full pension earlier?? Does not make sense? If we have planned our retirement based on what our funds will allow us to live is it fair to cut it back with no where to go? I support an imnependant group to manage self funded retirees chnagees so that we are not caught up in political bad decisions! There are many other areas of super that should be looked at for high earners, politicians to change for a result for the Government before affecting self funded retirees. Paul Wolf NSW 

David
David from VIC commented:

I agree it needs to be non political and not used as a budget saver. We should remember it was John Howard you made super as attractive as it is now so it can be a two edged sword to non politicise it. As with any decision like this who makes up the deciding panel and who appoints them. Can we trust the pollies to select the members? If not who can do it? Not the super funds. Colonial has just charged me a "Stronger Super Levy" to pay for their software updates to meet the latest legislation changes. Grubby money grabbing. I would advise you all to check your super and pension accounts the big end of town has hit us again. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to David:

Absolute rubbish David - if this was so you have redress via APRA etc. 

David
David from VIC replied to Warren:

I have the debit to my account to prove it, anda letter from colonial telling me that they did it. I. Will be going to the ombudsman about it, daylight robbery. 

Trish
Trish from NSW commented:

It makes you change your idea of moving into a retirement village too. If we do that, and sell our family home to do it, the excess we end up with takes us above the pensionable assets test. And why should it, when we worked hard to pay off our home and put enough money aside so that, with a small pension, we could live in retirement. This given the hard time the Government gave us when we had to pay 17% interest on our mortgages. And we still did it! 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Trish:

Trish, with all respect, spend your money, live life to the fullest. To aspire to only a pension is very basic welfare, and it does not get any better than that. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Brian - Sydney: "Unhappy Jan", Continual attacks on our "Super" will eventually lead to complete distrust in the system - while I hope to never have to rely on the pension the "Drawdown" rates should be reviewed in line with the optimistic "End of life" being now predicted as into our 90"s, so that we can decide on how we want to live. My other point is the fact that whilst some people did not sacrifice for "Super" they still get the "Free Money" that the superannuants are accused of getting via the 15% tax loading on Input of Super money. Let the "Pollies" have exactly the same rules applied to their "Super"as the rest of us and see how long they will want to "Play"with our Super. 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

In God they "trust", "somewhere"... In the almighty $2.05 trillion in Super our pollies will soon "trust", wait and see when the serious recession will hit, "trust" me...... 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Alain:

You have no idea what you're talking about. 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

You have no idea what you're talking about. Go away you idiot. 

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