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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

The previous Labor Government trashed the economy and as a result trashed more than 97% of Australians superannuation and retirement savings. The only groups unaffected were Federal Politicians and Federal Public Servants. If Politicians and Federal Public Servants had the same superannuation entitlements as we do , they would treat the economy with respect and not as a political tool. Now macho man Abbott is and the Greens and banding together to hit retirees again. How could we ever vote for any of these clowns again. Allan 

Connie
Connie from NSW commented:

Connie from NSW We need politicians to set the example and forego permanent life entitlements to their pension while they are capable of working to age 70 as the rest of us. You cannot have one set of rules for the general public and different rules for the politicians. The savings from these changes would be greatly appreciated by putting it to good use for those who are doing it really tough on the land and to the general needs of everyday Australians. 

michael
michael from VIC commented:

Like many of those who have already commented I am feed up with the "goal posts" being shifted on pensions and super. I retired some eight months ago with my retirement planned out based on what we knew heading into the last election. No change to pensions or super (Abbott's promise). Now that we cannot trust anything either side of politics says, it is time to take super and pensions out of the hands of these "snout in the trough" clowns. Time for an independent body to determine such matters. If I can paraphrase Abbott, I will be doing what ever it takes to make sure the LNP does not get re - elected at the next election. No more a Liberal voter. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to michael:

You are correct, Michael, whoever voted for the Coalition was seriously deceived! "Lies, after lies after lies" is what their 'program' was about, the scumbags! 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to michael:

Michael, these changes are not effective in this term of Government which means your vote at the next election will count. Despite the rhetoric from Labor, my bet is they will not change this if they win next the election. 

Helen
Helen from NSW commented:

We don't need another alternative review panel, we just need to have the KISS principal applied. 1. No limits to be applied on the extent of funds that may be held in Superannuation 2. A maximum government Pension payment amount be determined annually. This figure to be inclusive of all support service costs considered essential such as health care etc. 3. Retirees annual income earnings derived from superannuation assets in excess of the above annually calculated amount be taxed at a marginal fixed rate of say 5% up to a maximum annually determined limit of (say 3 times the national average wage). 4. Income derived from Superannuation assets in excess of the above amount be taxed at current notional tax rates. 5. Minimum withdrawal limits be made redundant 6. Death duties to continue to apply where superannuation assets are passed to non- dependants. Simple solution, equitable to all with guaranteed certainty. We don't need another bunch of " independent experts" building another camel. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Helen:

Well presented Helen. Obviously you have some strategic insight into super & investments/welfare. It has a socialist ting about it but at least it makes a lot more sense than most input. 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Warren:

" It has a socialist ting about it ", what HAS NOT a ... IS SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS, NOW PROVEN, Warren, so grow up... 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Alain:

Another incoherent rant. What it means nobody knows. 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

VERY RELEVANT Ian, Jack and Michael 's comments in SuperGuide: The government is suggesting or encouraging retirees to blow the hard earned savings on a home upgrade or on overseas trips. As a consequence of the government’s new policy superannuation savings or other investment savings between the $375,000 threshold and $823,000 cut off have no cash flow value for retirees. - If you and your partner aged 65 were both in good health at retirement, had $825,000 in savings (doesn’t have to be super) and owned your home, and you were offered by the government the opportunity to buy a tax-free lifetime guaranteed inflation-indexed pension of $34,923 pa for $450,000 (= $825,000 – $375,000), would you take it? Note: This pension yields an internal rate of return of 10%pa tax free using my earlier assumptions of Australian mortality, inflation and reversion to surviving partner. This clearly presents a massive arbitrage opportunity for retirees against the government. As I said, I suspect we will find more full pensioners in short time than the government expected as retirees desert the no-mans land. Why wouldn’t you?- Pensioners will reduce assets to maximize their pension and the only way to do that is to put it into the family home which is still quarantined from these calculations. What does that do for housing affordability? Doesn’t look very clever to me 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

So, after reading the above, why would anyone bother saving for retirement? This is going to have the opposite effect as the one this incompetent government is expecting: there will be more pensioners relying purely on the government's pension, and the cost instead of diminishing, will grow, which in itself should be prohibitive enough to review those changes... We have 'serious' clowns now running the country, I tell you! 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

SuperGuide is a reputable organization. I assume you’ve attempted to provide commentary on some plagiarized segment from Superguide – but this is not clear to me. Part of the illustration makes some sense to those educated people willing to re-align their retirement strategy to the legislative changes. What does not make any-sense at all is you’re evaluation of the same. Financial advice is certainly NOT your strong point. 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Warren:

U r a nasty individual, a nasty redneck, aren't u, Warren? Why harass this anonymous person when she has a point? Why wouldn't you apologize to him (don't think u would be that clever myself, but just in case...) and also apologize to the rest of us for with your vote, flogging us a clown as our PM? 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Alain:

This does not make any-sense. What are you on about Alian/NSW'A'. 

Robert
Robert from QLD commented:

Goes to show that you can,t trust politicians ,they only there to line their own pockets and do bugger all for the people and stuff up the country in the process Bob from Queensland 

Cedric
Cedric from QLD commented:

Kenneth WA....I agree that ALL pollies need to abide by same rule...talk to your local member about it 

Cedric
Cedric from QLD commented:

Leno...all pollies NOT just Joe should be under the same rule 

Norm
Norm from QLD commented:

My aim was to always try to be self funded and not rely on a Govt pension but geez they make it hard when the pollies are always changing the rules . These changes to the asset test will only force people to spend money on their homes to get below the asset limit. They also criticise people who splurge lump sums , then apply for the pension . Well why don't they provide more incentives for people like me (and I think there are a lot like me) who take their super as an income stream and save the Govt spending on Pensions. 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

Here the truth. Super is not the ‘magic bullet’ for retirement as portrayed on this site and as most people are lead to believe. Less than 14 million Australians (some 52%) have superannuation and most of these have insignificant balances that will not support retirement anyway. The majority of people have only their SG/9.5% contributions held in Union controlled Industry Funds. If you’re not contributing yourself, or have alternative investments, you will NOT have sufficient funds for a self-funded retirement. 

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