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Over 50s reckon Budget fair enough, but not great hopes

Over 50s reckon Budget fair enough, but not great hopes

While the argy-bargy about how fair the Budget is (or isn’t) continues in Canberra, it’s reassuring to share some common-sense from the wisdom of the crowd that is FiftyUp Club members.

More than 3,400 of you answered our snap poll after the Budget and found overall it was both fair and unlikely to change your voting intentions.

But you were equally divided as to whether Mr Hockey’s planned expenditures and savings would actually solve any of the long-term challenges facing the country.

There were four concise multiple-choice questions on the Budget; how fair was it in your assessment, what was its impact on your lives and how likely was it to change both your vote and address Australia’s problems?

The results in summary were:

  • Only 1/3 of you say the Budget was unfair on over-50s
  • 42% say it had a negative impact on them, and
  • Nearly 2/3 say it's not a vote-changer.

We know from previous questionnaires that 48% of you are prepared to identify as coalition voters and 22% as Labor.

Some 70% describe themselves as pensioners and part pensioners – or expect to be in their retirement.

Here are the results in more detail:

Fairness: Almost half (47%) felt it was very or quite fair as opposed to 32% who believed it was very or quite unfair. The neutral measured 21%.

Impact: In terms of personal impact 42% thought it would be severely or slightly negative, 33% were neutral and just 25% a slightly or extremely positive impact.

Voting intention: 63% says the Budget was not at all or very unlikely to see them change their vote. Another 23% said it was quite or very likely to change their vote and 13% were neutral.

Long-term solutions: Split down the middle, with 42% on each side finding it equally likely or unlikely to make a difference. The neutrals were 15%.

It’s interesting many of you were prepared to mark the Budget up as being fair while at the same time acknowledging it was going to cost you something.

Perhaps you were one of the 300,000+ who stood to lose pension entitlements through the tighter eligibility requirements.

It’s taken Labor almost two weeks and detailed analysis they commissioned from NATSEM, the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling, to pronounce the Budget as ‘unfair’ for low-income families on Monday.

ACOSS, the Australian Council of Social Service, says their modelling shows the government’s decisions to hold onto most of last year’s cuts as well as bring in new ones this May would cost lower-income families and Australians some $15 billion over the next four years.

So there’s plenty more argument to come about the Budget and who does, or doesn’t, carry the can in terms of the cost of the cuts. The focus has been on families so far but expect it to return to the highly contested area of retirement incomes soon.

In the meantime we’ll make the pollies aware of what you think in surveys like this.

For starters, we’ll be on air this afternoon talking to Chris Smith about the snap poll on 2GB 873 at 1.10pm, so do tune in!

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Alfred M
Alfred M from QLD commented:

The Budget appears to be fair, but, I think there might be things that will still pop up, that we have not heard about yet, all Governments are very sly when it comes to telling the truth, they lie, by missing details out. We won't like all that will unfold in the future. Please don't forget that this was an Election Budget. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Alfred M:

Alfred tells us that "The Budget appears to be fair"" can I please ask you, Alfred: do you live on this planet, in this country? Also: We've just had an election, Alfred... And that could also be a problem, governments who govern for three years and their own little selves, their rich mates, what about changing that to five years? You never hear the incompetent "team" talking of Australia in 2030, in 2050... 

Alfred M
Alfred M from QLD commented:

Hello Anonymous, Yes I am on this Planet, and I am an aged Pensioner, not one of the "rich Mates" as you put it. Perhaps to get my point across, I should have added "er"to the word Fair, because it was fairer than the last one. I personally would not want any of them in for 5 years, it is bad enough having to put with them for three years. The next Election could be any time in the next 12 months, and this was an Election Budget. By the the way, I don't mind putting my name to what ever I say, I never want to be Anonymous. I stand by all I say. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Alfred M:

Good! Alfred, that IS an improvement! When did we start to be interested in "others", in our neighbours in Australia? So we are no longer individualists, no longer part of a highly individualistic culture in Australia? Are we now interested in "others"? No more "Me Me Me, it's all about "You, You, You" now, is it? ... and "PLEASE, do not remain Anonymous!"... Good to know... But I still see fences around blocks, the almighty dollar has not lost its power neither and many have no other choice but to remain "Anonymous"... 

Alfred M
Alfred M from QLD commented:

Not sure who is off this planet, I can't work out what you are trying to tell me, seems to be a bit of a rant. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Alfred M:

That IS also a problem... 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Alfred M:

Alfred, whilst I don't necessarily agree with everything you've said, it's disappointing to see a leach like anonymous attach itself to your balanced commentary. Ignore it I say. It adds no value to this site. 

Alfred M
Alfred M from QLD replied to Warren:

Thanks Warren 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

Could be of interest to club members? In any case, an IMPORTANT ISSUE for some: you? your kids? some relatives? friends? someone you know, most likely. Thank you for considering objectively: Right now, Tony Abbott is holding Australia back by preventing his MPs from voting for marriage equality. All MPs should have a free vote on this matter. Marriage equality simply won’t happen unless Liberal MPs are given a free vote on the matter. Last night Bill Shorten gave notice that he will move a Private Member’s Bill on Monday which will finally bring about marriage equality in Australia. Whatever your religious views, I believe we have to change this law which discriminates against adult couples on the basis of who they love. A petition with those same words can be found and signed online if you support marriage equality, Google the site of " Australian Labor ". 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

Your argument/construction is so weak and full with emotive inaccuracies. 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

Whose argumentation, mate? 

Warren
Warren from NSW commented:

Anonymous, mate! 

Someone
Someone from NSW replied to Warren:

On which topic? 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

@ Douglas and his "lucky country" -and anyone interested-, by a Maria Hatzakis: About 2.5 million Australians are living below the poverty line, according to a Salvation Army report. The charity surveyed 2,400 people between the ages of 25 and 59. It found on average, people had just under $18 a day to live on after paying for accommodation. The Salvation Army said the results painted an alarming picture of what was happening to many marginalised Australians. Read the rest on the net... 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

FYI (Douglas and the ones interested): http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-27/millions-of-australians-below-poverty-line-salvation-army/6500452 

Someone
Someone from NSW commented:

@ Douglas, sorry too many replies to ...reply to... With all respect, you have now told us that you know the price of everything but the value of nothing. 

Mary
Mary from NSW commented:

Definitely a votye changer for me! I am one of some 300,000 retirees that are just under the limit for the part aged-pension, and will miss out under Hockey's new Budget. I have scrimped and saved during my working life to have enough to retire on, and have also paid my taxes for many years. Dammit, I am ENTITLED to my part-pension, Hockey! More entitled than your Double-Dipping on your fat pollies living-away-from-home allowance while living in YOUR WIFE'S property in Canberra. Vote Liberal next time? You've got to be joking!!! 

ian
ian from NSW replied to Mary:

pretty much in the same boat mary, all that work, paying taxes, going without some luxuries while raising kids . if you had $100,000 (50,000 pounds) in 1960 you could probably buy 10 houses , how many homes can you buy today for 1 million ? ian nsw 

terry
terry from QLD commented:

Haven't heard a thing about politicians contributing to the country by way of reducing pay or perks .Why not.. Terry from Cent Qld.. 

Allan
Allan from NSW commented:

Yes Carol, I listen to ABC radio regularly. That's where you get the news and facts only not a presenter's biased point of view and listeners who need to be told how to think. Recently the well regarded Roy Morgan Poll released their annual poll of ethics & honesty in the media and guess what? Talk back radio presenters rated near the bottom. The ABC rated in the 80's? Got it? 

Alain
Alain from NSW commented:

Explanation (my 2 comments below): Tony Abbott said the GP Tax was dead, buried and cremated. We all thought that was probably another lie, and on Tuesday night we were proven right. In the Budget the Government has tried to introduce a GP Tax by stealth. By introducing a four year freeze on payments to GPs, the Government is ripping $1.3 billion out of Medicare and effectively introducing an $8.43 GP Tax though the back door. 

Greg
Greg from NSW commented:

Kevin, I agree with your overall sentiment but I would like to see Fresh Food removed from GST to address the obesity, health issues. We also need to reduce the 'hand-out' mentality whereby many people think it is ok not to contribute anything to the nation's financial well-being but only 'take'. Unfortunately with a dysfunctional political system, the chances of us adopting NZ's solution of raising the GST, is remote. There has to be some short-term pain, for long-term gain however and we need politicians with courage. We should be able to be confident that the quality of life for our children and grandchildren will be better: sadly, I am not. 

Alain
Alain from NSW replied to Greg:

Yep, as if we were thin people ! GST is a tax which always favor the rich, did you know? Do we need 'anything' that favor the rich further?? 

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