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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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John
John from NSW commented:

All welfare should be a safety net not an entitlement and whatever process is put in place for pensions or any other form of welfare this should be the over riding factor. However as always self interest will rule! 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to John:

Spot on John. 

Janice
Janice from QLD commented:

We have assets (excluding our home) of far, far, far below the levels - yet - we don't get the full age pension as they deem the small amount of money we take from our Allocated Pensions each month to top up our Pension money as "Income" and treat it as if we were going to work and being paid. We have great difficulty understanding how they can call this money "Income" as, after all it was money we earned, paid tax on, saved and set aside many years ago. We live a very simple, inexpensive life-style. No fancy long holidays, dining out, shows etc. It would seem we are being punished because we saved this money and put it into our Allocated Pension (as advised to do) when we retired. Jan 

bill
bill from QLD replied to Janice:

Janice --I'm with you all the way Scrimp and save and put the bit we can into a superannuation fund That is eroded by shares fluctuation and the RBA decisions and even then with 600.000 less dollars than the threshold we still get a part pension Trouble the politicians don't seem to understand that the average worker needs every dollar of income just to provide for the family ( unlike pollies on extravagant tax free allowances ) If a person gets enough to live on from their investment folios ( anything over $1000.00 a tear) then they should not get the pension and that would be about 2% of the pensioners while the remaining 98% need the pension and the super payment just to make ends meet Bring on the independent tribunal 

Phil
Phil from QLD commented:

Can anyone tell us what % of income tax is invested for future pension fund? If, as we are told by the politicians, the current pension fund is unsustainable, why not lift the contribution rate? The raise that Gillard gave herself and ALL pollies accepted, was unfair at best and excessive and deceitful at worst!! If Hockey & Co. were half serious, they would reduce their salaries and amend the over generous pension scheme for politicians, to set the kind of example he talks about giving to the Australian people but seems to struggle with putting into practice!! Another point re cost of electricity.....Has anyone considered the contribution previous generations made to development of infrastructure and now are being asked to put in again..If that's not double dipping, I'd like to know what is!!!!! 

Lyn
Lyn from NSW commented:

REPLY to Ann of WA post. Good on yer girl! It IS time for 50/60's to get vocal as most of us have done what you posted. We certainly know how to balance a budget which our politicians don't seem to have the skills for. Our skills of balancing a budget will be essential in 2017 because of these Measures, won't they? 

Someone
Someone from VIC commented:

yes I support kennetts idea I think we should have a similar board type arrangement running the country ....cheers rod black 

cathy
cathy from NSW commented:

I am a single part pensioner, almost 70. Unfortunately, In spite of my efforts I will not be a fully funded self retiree. I am still working in an effort to be better off when I retire than just relying on a pension . If I continue to do 'my bit' then proposed changes, based on todays figures, I will have foregone many things and be barely better off than someone on a full pension. I have always been cautious with my money restricting spending e.g. holidays, going to the movies, etc. I was hoping to do some of these things in my retirement . Seems not, if at my level we are in for an axing. Time for a change to my modus operandi. P.S. Re concept of drawing down more on personal super pension. Maybe my view is too simplistic. I could draw down my personal super pension at a higher rate, thus reducing/negating the government Age Pension - FOR THE TIME BEING - and then what - government has a higher rate of Age Pension to pay me ??? 

Margaret
Margaret from VIC commented:

I agree with clarity and security around superannuation. The Government can't have it both ways. We either support ourselves and they keep their hands off or they support us all equally!! I'm sick to death of their changing attitudes and double dipping into our hard earned! 

Ross
Ross from QLD commented:

It just goes to show the more you save and scrimp while working to save for your retirement the more these stinking politicians will take off you. the ones who do nothing get the rise, where as the government should be rewarding people who help to provide for themselves ie reduction in council rates ie 50% ,free public transport and other concessions to encourage you to provide for your retirement. 

Stuart
Stuart from NSW commented:

Do not let the politicians take our hard earned super away. The super system they enjoy is beyond reach of all others, how can they know how hard it is for the rest of us? 

Lyn
Lyn from NSW commented:

I agree with Mr Kennett's idea but no matter how it's done, the pension budget is sourced from somewhere in the tax system. I object to current retirees being targeted, all of whom made their plans based on the rules leading up to that retirement. It is unreasonable to expect them to plug holes when there is little possibility of work to make up the gap created by the 2015 Budget measures. Single retirees seem most affected in the lower retirement savings range losing approx. $90/wk, I did the sums. I'd be happy to do a day's work for that if work available but then a 2nd day is needed to make up for the reduction that the first day's pay will yield under the allowable fortnightly income test and on it goes but there is not enough work to go around is there? I believe it is time to reintroduce lower taxfree threshold of $6000 from $18200 (soon to be increased to 19000 odd) for the working population as it was in my working life and all the years that it was $5400. Between a high taxfree threshold, family allowances and child care rebates young working families have it easier than it was for we retirees without the benefit of those high concessions. Tax gained by the Govt, at 19%, by lowering threshold to $6000 would be approx. $44.50/wk/worker, a lot to a low income earner, just as it is to a retiree but not to higher income earners so perhaps a sliding scale is needed. $44/wk less means just a few less coffees and bottled waters which seem to be in their hands constantly thesedays. Bring back the tea trolley & keep them at their desks instead of all the coffee shop runs! But seriously, why aren't retirees lobbying for what is such a simple solution and was the norm in our working lives? 

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