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We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

We want clarity and security around Retirement incomes, not backroom deals

 

Political manoeuvring this week saw the Greens back the government’s changes to the pension assets test, saving the budget a handy $2.4 billion but injecting even more uncertainty into superannuation.

Ballooning costs are good reasons to amend retirement incomes policy, as our members acknowledge, but not everyone should be happy with them being subject to 11th hour back-room political fixes to sidestep Labor’s opposition to the changes.

After months of promises that super policy would be left alone, the Greens have put super under the spotlight of the forthcoming tax review in ways which will naturally unsettle many of those counting on some greater certainty around their nest egg and protection from government raids.

The PM and Shorten have taunted each other by claiming, in the one simple take-out from events, that Labor is going after super and the government is targeting pensions.

In our last survey before the Budget, two-thirds said it was time to review tax concessions on super for those with large super balances.

But a larger majority (72%) of the 13,000 respondents supported the idea floated by former premier Jeff Kennett and others for a permanent, bipartisan body to make long–term retirement policy decisions.[1]

And dozens of comments echoed the fiery sentiment that we couldn’t trust the political process to provide stable policy on retirement incomes and it’s time it was outsourced to an independent Reserve Bank-style statutory body.

The conflicting commentary on the radio today and the concerned and confused questions from callers suggests ongoing problems around the tightened assets test, which doesn’t actually apply until Jan 2017.

Some will point out it’s only returning the status quo on eligibility to where it was before the then-PM John Howard made generous concessions before an election in 2007. And even if you are less eligible for the pension you’ll still get the seniors health card and its discounts.

The raw figures show while 170,000 less well-off retirees will then get an extra $30 a fortnight, amongst the better-off some 90,000 will lose the part-pension altogether and a quarter of a million will have it reduced.

But better-off on paper isn’t “rolling in it” in reality. This was the argument which Labor seemed to be advancing, until they were trumped politically by the Greens.

So far we haven’t heard much of the plight of these so-called ‘losers’ from the bargain with the government and the Greens, but there may be more to come.

The Australian Seniors group have highlighted the problem for single pensioners with not always  flash levels of  assets. Their part pensions would erode with $500,000 of assets, besides the family home, leaving them worse off than if they relied entirely on a pension. But the government says they should be drawing down on their assets, not planning to pass them on.

For couples who hold assets on top of the home, the new level will be $823,000.

Whichever way you cut the numbers, or perceive the fairness or otherwise of the eligibility changes, it’s more likely that ever that polarised policies will propel pensions and super to the fore of the next election.

And that’s why we’ve renewed our call today in support of the Jeff Kennett idea. Let us know what you think in the forum below.

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William
William from NSW commented:

Alain, not this little black duck. William from NSW 

Judith
Judith from NSW commented:

Another committee to create a camel not a horse, sorry no faith in anyone at the moment 

Paul
Paul from QLD commented:

Lynette, I am afraid that you are not correct. To repeat my recent post - Tax concessions for super contributions & pensions cost the government more than 10 BILLION dollars per annum. Super tax concessions, as a cost to the budget, will be more than the entire aged pension costs by 2016-17. The Australia Institute's recent report on Superannuation and Pensions found that: "The pension system directs assistance to the poor; the tax system to the rich. The tax system encourages savings; the pension means test discourages both work and savings. The total cost of the pension and the tax concessions, at some $76 billion, far exceeds the $55 billion it would cost to simply pay the pension to everyone over 65....Why not make the pension universal – free of means test – and abolish the tax concessions? This would leave enough – even on the Treasury’s conservative ‘revenue gain’ figures - to raise the base pension rate by 25% ensuring that most people gained more on the pension side than they would lose on the tax side. " 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Paul:

Super concession $ comparative figures to the pension was a discredited Treasury estimate figure (2013) but continuously used by Labor/Bowen, for some unknown reason. . Unfortunately your facts and suggestions are either fabricated or taken out of context. BTW, who is the Aust Institute? 

Colin
Colin from QLD commented:

Thanks for the response Keith, yes I think we are hitting the nail right on the head... 

Lynette
Lynette from NSW commented:

I think it is time people took some pride in looking after themselves and not arranging their affairs, when they have substantial resources, to bum on the taxpayer. I am sick of whinging retirees. Look after yourself to ensure the poor pensioners without substantial assets are able to receive a decent pension. The country only has so much money to spend on welfare which is ballooning out to unsustainable levels. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Lynette:

well said 

Robert
Robert from NSW commented:

Come on give the government a fair go. You jump at the opportunity to ctiticise everything the government does or puts forward even if it is a review. Not everybody is a champion or knows much about superanuation. But on the other hand if you want to be expressly critical about generous pensions then tackle all the parties not just the LNP. This mob is trying to govern the country, they were chosen to do that, but then again you have parties that are there just to put an alternate view or oppose anything the govefnment puts forward. Come on Australia, we all want this and that, how about something that will benefit the country in totality. Greed is not only with the politicians but also with some who want everything for nothing. Go and get a hold of your representative and make sure you tell him / her about there generous super. Who writes this rubbish 'we want clarity and security around reirement incomes, not backroom deals' - 'backroom deals'? Come on, I hate this type of rubbish. Everybody has ideas and the government is still discussing issues on Super, it is not lost yet. Please hold your devisive comments 'backroom deals'. Seems everybody is an expert on super. 

Colin
Colin from QLD replied to Robert:

Robert we gave and let them have a fair go when they got into power, giving any party "a fair go " does not mean they are to pilfer or deprive us of our savings, super or assets, how about they find an honest way to do their job, or is that too much to expect of politicians ? 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Robert:

I've read 15 screens of submissions so far Robert, and your comment is the best to date. No-one owes me a living, but if I happen to fall on hard times, at least there is a bare minimum support mechanism to assist me. Middle welfare is but a past gone era thanks to Labor debt/deficit - get use to it I say. 

Robert
Robert from NSW replied to Warren:

Thanks Warren. It is as simple as abc, well written. My concern is 'my country'. We really can't have everything, simple. Thanks again Warren. 

Russell
Russell from VIC commented:

I have been of the opinion, as have others I have spoken to that if the Government believes that for the sake of the economy now and in the future that it is necessary to adjust &/or reduce existing pensions and superannuation benefits it is up to the Government to set the example by FIRSTLY reducing many of the extravant and over generous benefits received by current and past members of Parliament. Decisions of this nature would indicate they are genuine in their desire to improve the economy and the sacrifices required will be shared by all. 

Ray
Ray from QLD commented:

Very good idea, but how about including ex-politicians in the same scheme as everyone else in this country, why should the retirement super and pensions of politicians be calculated by any other means than the rest of us Ausies. and if politicians want the population at large to take any notice of their bleatings re finances, it it past time that they start leading by example, cut off the generous taxpayer funding of ex-pollies and throttle back severely the extra benefits paid out to the current batch, starting with Joe Hockeys house payments. 

Gordon
Gordon from TAS commented:

This is a matter that should be taken out of the Politicians hands. The Greens think that because you have worked and saved and most likely gone without to have a good retirement fund that you should be penalised. This is fine for them especially as they live in Utopia 

Michael
Michael from QLD commented:

The Super system should be like the Singapore Model with all Super payments going in to a Government supported fund (funds guaranteed by Government with a nominal interest rate. These funds run in to Billions very quickly and can be "Loaned to Government at very favourable interest rates for infrastructure projects. Super run by a totally independent entity (much like the Judiciary is here) "Only" that entity could make any changes to Super Rules and the Salaries for staff would be subject to a Judicial review. In Singapore a low percentage of super is set aside in to a "Health account to help pay for medical in old age or in life threatening emergencies. Also they allow a certain percentage of Super savings to be used as deposit for a home and you can use part of your Super contributions to pay off that home. However - if you sell the home - any "profit" has to go back in to your super account and you can start over again on your newer home. That system takes some beating and was a product of the early Lee Kuan Yew years. 

Warren
Warren from NSW replied to Michael:

A socialist system but it works superbly with one of the best GDP in the world, but property (high rise units) are only leased by Singaporeans. When you die it passes back to the government. A totally different system to Australia. There is NO welfare in Singapore and very expensive. Singapore is a beautiful/small island but it produces nothing. It relies on ports/trading, imports, tourism, finance and huge construction industry (supported by a quasi '454' program - up to 1 million workers at any one time) to remain viable. It's 'build' or die. Even so I would rather live in Australia. 

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